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calling all beings y'all

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welcome back to calling all beings i'm

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dj your host along with my co-host the

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man known as

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money

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what's up everybody happy sunday happy

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daylight savings sunday to all of you in

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north america somewhere good afternoon

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money also we're going to say hello to

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the man with maybe maybe maybe the

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greatest hair in all of ufo twitter

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content creation the sexy the funny the

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incomparable flareus kevin what's up

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holmes

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hello good morning good morning brother

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i'm working on my intros a little bit

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you know it's gonna happen okay it's

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gonna happen man all right no doubt and

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and now another person who's

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incomparable her appetite

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for this topic nathan will not be

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satiated it will her thirst will not be

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quenched

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she is the host of deb's data dojo put

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your hands together for deb at a study

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of uaps hi everybody

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good day what's up holmes

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happy grand cameron day

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can i get an amen

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let's bring on the man himself

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what we're talking about here is a

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canadian original gangster of the ufo

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topic

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put your hands together for mr

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grant

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hey man welcome welcome

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mr cameron what's up brother

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uh lots going on i'm pretty busy and uh

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we're just coming into spring here and

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i'm excited to uh talk about some stuff

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that i'm uh working on right now oh well

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we're gonna have to get right up into it

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money nathan

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yes grant so uh again thank you so much

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for joining us today and really thrilled

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to have you with us and i thank you to

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all those who are listening uh live on

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youtube right now or whoever might be

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listening later in the future grant

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you've got you've been in this game for

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a long time you've been uh researching

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for over 40 years uh starting out with

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something that kind of catapulted you

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into the topic your own experience

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in canada uh kind of a nuts and bolts

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researcher for many years um also

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focusing heavily on kind of the secret

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keepers and how the and who was given

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the information the white house ufo

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angle but then you had a as i understand

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it a pretty transformative experience in

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2012 that really kind of shifted gears

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for you into the into looking at it from

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the consciousness aspect and we see that

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in a lot of places now as well i would

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like i would love to hear kind of just

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your perspective looking back on that

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journey and and why consciousness itself

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is such a big focus for you right now

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um well yeah it's been a long trip it's

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been almost 50 years basically my whole

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life when i had the experience i

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quit university i kept going to

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university but i was just really not

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interested anymore

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and really didn't

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know what i was doing in university or

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what i was going to make money i was

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going to make money with all this stuff

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but um i had the experience as you

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mentioned which was very transformative

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it was uh it's the old story that once

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you have the experience

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it's like um

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you're sort of you're down the rabbit

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hole and we stay over the years we'd

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have a lot of people who'd say oh the

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guy's quit he's he's never coming back

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and we always go yeah don't worry he's

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coming back no nobody gets out of this

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thing and it's like it's that kind of

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thing where you can't really shake it

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you know people get divorced you have

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all sorts of problems they can't deal

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with people because they're different

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i thought i sort of knew what was going

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on i was doing what everybody else is

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doing now is this

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sort of nuts and bolts aspect i was

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chasing the president of the united

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states because when i had my experience

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the first night i saw it it was

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very very

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sort of like it fell off the edge of the

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earth i couldn't believe what i was

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the second night it came directly at us

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and this is not a light in the sky this

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is an object it was in pretty close came

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right at us and made this left-hand turn

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and i remember as it was flying off into

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the north i said to myself

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what's it doing it's not doing anything

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it was just it was so weird it's like it

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came to carmen manitoba canada which is

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like the middle of nowhere like what the

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heck is it doing in carmen and i could

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not figure it out later we had this idea

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that had something to do with nuclear

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weapons and stuff but in in the end

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result i thought it had to do with me

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because there was a film that was taken

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if you're familiar with the the

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description of the nimitz

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um encounter where it drops from 80 000

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feet down to sea level in 7 8 of a

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second

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well what got me involved was a tv crew

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cky which is a tv studio here in

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winnipeg i'd gone out to film this thing

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and they caught it jumping from the

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ground

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to 5 000 feet in the air in 1 8 of a

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second and they caught on now this film

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is around jail and hanek got two copies

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it sort of has disappeared there's

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there's one copy if you look at the

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documentary

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um ufo cover up live it's in there

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no not no it's in um no it's in

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ufo um ufos it has begun jacques valet

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actually narrates it 1979 it's in the

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film is in there

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anyway so i had this and i was chasing

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and i said what's it doing you know and

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and i wrote a book nobody was interested

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in the book

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and um then i said okay this exciting

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stuff is a bunch of garbage and still i

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believe a bunch of garbage it will tell

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you basically that ufos are here

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something's going on i even just got a

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160 pages from transport canada here in

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canada 160 pages of ufo sightings

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nobody's asked for me for them i read

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about two pages and got bored with it it

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was like same old thing lights in the

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sky

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jets were scrambled they didn't see

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anything and it's like you know we had a

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million sightings now we've got a

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million and a million and 160 sightings

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i sort of got depressed after nobody was

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interested in all these sightings

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there's a lot of sightings in this town

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that that i had the experience in and um

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nobody would publish it so i said okay

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that's it with settings i i'm just gonna

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i i want to know what was that thing

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doing in carmen and what's what's going

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on here what is this thing so i started

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this pursuit where i chased the canadian

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government then it went to the former

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president of penn state university who

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actually knew what was going on

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and uh people like kid green went after

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him as uh hell put off went after him we

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were the first to deal with this guy and

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he basically talked in rhymes and

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riddles to us about uh why should we

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change the rules to satisfy your

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curiosity he knew exactly how this thing

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had been set up he was there when he got

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set up he had 14 honor doctor degrees

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chairman of the board of the institute

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for defense analysis and i'm chasing

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this whole story and i'm trying to

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figure out somebody's got to know what's

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going on here and that led me to the

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president of the united states and

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that's where i figured while the

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president's the most powerful guy in the

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world i mean he's got all these

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clearances they're checking all the

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stuff they got to be telling the

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president what's going on so i chased

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the presidents for well i actually i'm

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still chasing them because i've just

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filed all the

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freedom information act requests with

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the obama administration that just came

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forward last month

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january 21st you could file for the

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material so i filed

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about 30 foia requests for obama because

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obama was by far and away the biggest

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president on ufos all the names tell me

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about this story tell me about jason or

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jaden smith what happened there in the

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in the situation room all these these

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sort of stories where obama talks about

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and um then in in 2012 as you're saying

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i i basically got

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everything flipped around for me i was

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sort of like spinning my wheels like i

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think the vast majority of the ufo

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community is doing just sort of

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gathering material really not knowing

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what's going on and it was there where i

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was i was at a lecture in phoenix

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arizona where colin andrews was talking

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about the crop circles and he's the guy

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that invented the term crop circle saw

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the first one in 1982

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uh you know chased this whole thing

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and basically came to this conclusion he

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had rockefeller gave him money and they

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they investigated people who had done

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the hoaxes on crop circles and they'd

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run around and talk to these guys and he

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came to this conclusion that eight

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twenty percent of crop circles were

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legitimate eighty percent were hoaxes

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but in this lecture what he was saying

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was well the people that were doing the

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hoaxes

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actually got this idea in their head

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and so the beings were actually creating

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the crop circles from the hoaxers as

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well they're telling the whole

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so so that was the lecture and it was i

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wrote a book called contact modalities

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where i talk about the fact that i

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believe that all the materials in the

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field forty percent of all ufo

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experiencers will say at one point

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during their experience they knew the

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answer to everything in the universe uh

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near-death experience people 31 at one

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point during their experience say they

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knew the answer to everything universe

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so the whole concept in contact

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modalities is that all the material is

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there it's the ability to access the

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field get in there get the material and

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come back up whether you're doing

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channeling whether you're doing uh you

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know near-death experience psychedelics

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whatever you're doing you're going in

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the field you're getting getting

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whatever you can and bringing it back

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so i i had the contact modality i always

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used as zoning out i ran uh

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dj was talking about running i was just

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running earlier

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an hour ago i came back and so what i do

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is i do a lot of walking and i do a lot

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of uh

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running i'll do three three hours a day

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and basically that's when i zone out and

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that's when i get all sorts of uh um

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insights and i call them sort of uh it's

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like a flow state where i know i know to

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get the pen out i know i'm in a flow

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state and stuff starts to come to me

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and so

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what happened was that i was into colin

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andrews lecture and one of the contact

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modalities is uh daydreaming so you'll

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find that when you're in a in a lecture

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like this where i wasn't interested in

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crop circles the only reason i went into

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the lecture was because colin anders was

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this famous crop circle guy and i

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figured well and there's this big

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controversy about the fact that he said

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80 of all crop circles were hoaxed

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people were booing him and they were you

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know he was having a real hard time so i

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said i should go watch this lecture and

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i go i really are not in now i'm going

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to go no i'm not going to go so i

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finally said okay i'm going to go into

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the lecture because this is at ufo

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congress in the days when it was eight

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days long and you go to some lectures

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you don't go to some lectures it goes on

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forever day day and night for for a week

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so i decided okay i'll go in there i

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wasn't interested i was sitting there

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i'm thinking about oh i'm gonna go

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across the bullhead city

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arizona and i'm gonna go to the library

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and maybe i'll go for coffee and i'm

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thinking of all these other things and i

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zoned out i wasn't paying attention to

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the lecture and that's when it came to

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me and it was nothing new

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a lot of these flow states downloads

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whatever you want to call them come to

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people when for for example the the

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laser came like this and so did the

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hologram both the guys won the nobel

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prize where they worked on the problem

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they worked on the problem they worked

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on the problem they couldn't figure it

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out couldn't figure it out and they went

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and the one guy towns was sitting

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outside a restaurant waiting for the

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restaurant to open on a park bench and

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suddenly the idea just popped in his

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head just everything came together

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instantaneously and the guy who did the

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the um the

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gabor who did the hologram was sitting

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there watching people play tennis same

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thing he was trying to figure it out

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trying to figure it out was sitting

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there watching these people pay tennis

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and quieted the left brain the rational

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analytical brain which is causing the

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noise in the signal the signal is there

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for everybody but it's the left brain is

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causing this thing in the signal so i'm

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zoning out i'm not really paying

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attention and it just boom boom is it

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instantaneously three things came into

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my head all at the same time and they

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all had to do with consciousness and

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ufos and one was in 1950 the canadian

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government

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wilbur brockhouse smith who was running

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the program had gone to the americans

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and he'd asked the american officials

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not people on the street not ordinary

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people officials and he'd written his

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top secret memo and he said we were told

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by american officials the following

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things number one flying saucers exist

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it's the most highly classified subject

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in the united states there's a small

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group headed by dr van dever bush you're

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trying to figure out the modus operandi

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the subject is of tremendous

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significance to the americans and then

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the line that came into my head

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instantaneously after that was the very

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next line in the document which said we

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were also told by american officials

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that other things might be associated

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with the flying saucers such as mental

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phenomena and the americans aren't doing

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very well because they've said if

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they're if we're working on the problem

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they're willing to exchange credentials

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and talk to us the thing is the mk ultra

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started six months later after that

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statement in the top secret

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memo it happened in montreal in a hotel

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in montreal canada 60 miles down the

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road from ottawa and dr oman salant who

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was in the ufo program was in that

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meeting with the cia and with the

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british and with the mk ultra and mk

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ultra was the whole deal is

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consciousness is important we got to

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figure out how this thing works and they

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were working on consciousness they

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weren't they're working on maybe

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brainwashing is part of it but it was

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this whole idea that they knew because

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the whole idea was 1950 nobody had

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talked to an alien yet a damskin

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williamson would not come forward until

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1952. so how did anybody know that

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telepathy that mental phenomena was

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involved the american officials

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probably had a live alien from roswell

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they realized there was no steering

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wheel in the craft you you don't fly it

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that way and they realized there was

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some sort of mental component to flying

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the craft that's why in 1950 they

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already knew that mental phenomena is

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involved they couldn't figure it out and

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they still can't really figure it out so

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that was the first thing it came ahead

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the second thing came into my head was

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dr eric walker where i mentioned one of

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the guys we chased for eight years very

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very powerful guy worked with uh

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did an engineering study for president

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eisenhower very very powerful guy and he

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said at one point we're talking about

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the mk mj um

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mj12 and we're asking him are there

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still just 12 guys or and is it just an

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american group or is it international

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and he says hey let me ask you a

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question

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but you nobody sp

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and

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what do you know about the seventh cent

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what do you know about esp and the guy

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who was interviewed from great britain

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really didn't have an answer and he said

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look unless you understand about esp

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and how it works you will not be taken

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in by the control group very few people

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understand how this works and so there

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and and we didn't know at the time that

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was 1991 i had no idea what he was

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talking about and suddenly in 2012 in

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this call and honors lecture i go oh

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now i know what walker that's what he

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meant that's what he was talking about

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it was the same thing as this mental

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phenomena thing that canadians were

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talking and the third was jan harrison

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who was the international director of

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mufon

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has this lecture in 1993 where he goes

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to see ben rich who is the head of

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lockheed skunk works which is always

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rumored to be the the back engineering

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of the flying saucers and ben rich says

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we've now got the technology to take et

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home it's not going to take a lifetime

447
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but it's going to take an act of god to

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get this thing out of congress and and

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jan hartson is with his other engineer

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and he's going can you believe can you

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believe what he's saying and he goes up

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and he had an experience when he was 10

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years old in the backyard 50 feet away

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from a flying saucer with his brother

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and he always wanted to build a flying

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saucer and he became an electrical

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engineer to do this and so he was

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fascinated he went to ben as ben was

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leaving the building and he said ben

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i've been fascinated my whole life how

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does it work how does the propulsion

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system work how do they get here and ben

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rich turns around he says exactly to the

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words exactly what walker had said two

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years before in 1991. he said let me ask

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you a question what do you know about

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esp

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and jan hartson said

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means everything in time and space is

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connected and ben rich said that's how

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it works and he walks out of the

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building gets in his car and drives away

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now we've had other indications since

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then tom delong talks about going to the

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skiff he's taking in the lockheed into

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the skiff and he's talking to these guys

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and they're asking what about this

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conspiracy website you've got and he's

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trying to talk out of this stupid like q

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and on website thing he was running in

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2012. and and then

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the head scientist said look i just want

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to know i'm all interested is how do

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they how does it work that's all i'm

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interested how does this thing work and

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then he's and he was hanging around with

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greer at the time so that and greer is

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big into consciousness so he says oh i

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can consciousness involved and he said

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the head scientist said

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now you're talking and he said that's

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all the head scientists wanted to talk

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about for 45 minutes was consciousness

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so that was the flip that so that

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flipped me in 2012 it was like the world

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had just flipped on its head again it

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was like i for two days i walked around

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and my head was just spinning i couldn't

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believe i didn't know what consciousness

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was i thought it was consciousness i

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didn't realize it was non-local

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consciousness so the idea developed more

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and more as it went along and more stuff

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came to me to fill in the gaps and in

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2013 we were talking about this just

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before the show that's when the first

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woman came i was in phoenix i was giving

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my fir one of my first consciousness

509
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lectures at big mufun group in phoenix

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was a big very giant group there

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and

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uh stacy who runs the group says to me

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are you still going to talk to pam

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dupuis

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and i said

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yeah i guess so i figured i must have

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agreed to talk to someone i don't know

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who she is and that's good she's coming

519
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to my house on monday and you'll meet

520
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her there

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and uh so i said okay whatever so pam

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comes to the to the to the the door with

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her with her partner and she says uh so

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what pet what's stacy tell you about me

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i said

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i don't know she just said you wanted to

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talk to me and it was important and she

528
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said yes she comes walking in she's

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talking about i was abducted as three i

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was wearing a diaper and the beings were

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there and all this sort of stuff and

532
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she's going on and i remove you for the

533
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government she's going through all the

534
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stuff and it's like whatever i've heard

535
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this stuff like a thousand times before

536
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going and so she and she's in her 70s

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and then she says to me oh

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and i was flying the craft last night i

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went

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you are what and she says i was flying

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the craft and i was all i could think of

542
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was saudi arabian women who aren't

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allowed to drive and now it's different

544
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but they weren't allowed to drive a car

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unless a brother or a man was in the car

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and i'm going

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they'll let you fly the flying saucer i

548
00:18:08,230 --> 00:18:06,320
just i couldn't believe i was listening

549
00:18:09,510 --> 00:18:08,240
to this i go they let you flying saucer

550
00:18:10,470 --> 00:18:09,520
he says yeah i've flown three different

551
00:18:11,990 --> 00:18:10,480
models

552
00:18:13,990 --> 00:18:12,000
and i said they let you fly the flying

553
00:18:15,909 --> 00:18:14,000
saucer how do you fly a flying saucer

554
00:18:17,990 --> 00:18:15,919
and she says you do it with your mind

555
00:18:19,350 --> 00:18:18,000
and as soon as she said that i knew i

556
00:18:19,990 --> 00:18:19,360
knew why they had set me up to talk to

557
00:18:21,270 --> 00:18:20,000
her because i was doing this

558
00:18:22,870 --> 00:18:21,280
consciousness thing

559
00:18:25,350 --> 00:18:22,880
and that led to this book that's about

560
00:18:27,430 --> 00:18:25,360
to come out called this ufo sky piles

561
00:18:29,430 --> 00:18:27,440
where i gather three dozen people from

562
00:18:32,549 --> 00:18:29,440
all different professions u.s air force

563
00:18:35,669 --> 00:18:32,559
retired colonels 747 uh united airlines

564
00:18:37,270 --> 00:18:35,679
pilots uh mostly women which is kind of

565
00:18:38,789 --> 00:18:37,280
weird i mean you know

566
00:18:40,789 --> 00:18:38,799
if you're a saudi arabian woman and you

567
00:18:42,710 --> 00:18:40,799
get abducted they'll you know you'll let

568
00:18:45,830 --> 00:18:42,720
you fly the craft no no brother in the

569
00:18:48,070 --> 00:18:45,840
car in this craft no insurance no

570
00:18:49,830 --> 00:18:48,080
license nothing just go ahead and fly it

571
00:18:51,350 --> 00:18:49,840
and it came to this whole thing why are

572
00:18:53,430 --> 00:18:51,360
they allowing people to fly the craft or

573
00:18:55,110 --> 00:18:53,440
the other thing that that you see often

574
00:18:56,470 --> 00:18:55,120
if you go back to experiences which is

575
00:18:58,150 --> 00:18:56,480
the key to this whole thing you got to

576
00:19:00,150 --> 00:18:58,160
talk to the experiences the people

577
00:19:01,750 --> 00:19:00,160
the beings they'll describe being

578
00:19:02,789 --> 00:19:01,760
children and sitting in a room in a

579
00:19:04,549 --> 00:19:02,799
circle

580
00:19:05,990 --> 00:19:04,559
and playing this game and they're being

581
00:19:07,990 --> 00:19:06,000
taught to levitate things and there's

582
00:19:09,350 --> 00:19:08,000
these three different colored balls and

583
00:19:11,190 --> 00:19:09,360
they're levitating these three different

584
00:19:12,470 --> 00:19:11,200
types of balls and you see this this

585
00:19:14,230 --> 00:19:12,480
sort of thing that people are being

586
00:19:16,070 --> 00:19:14,240
trained to do this kind of stuff so

587
00:19:17,590 --> 00:19:16,080
that's basically what the consciousness

588
00:19:19,350 --> 00:19:17,600
is saying and nothing has ever really

589
00:19:21,270 --> 00:19:19,360
gone wrong just like consciousness thing

590
00:19:23,430 --> 00:19:21,280
everything that i've gotten in these

591
00:19:25,190 --> 00:19:23,440
surf flow states nothing has ever turned

592
00:19:28,070 --> 00:19:25,200
out to be wrong i had the 2012

593
00:19:29,750 --> 00:19:28,080
experience then i had the one in 2017

594
00:19:32,230 --> 00:19:29,760
again i'm walking i'm walking downtown

595
00:19:34,470 --> 00:19:32,240
which is a six mile walk i go for coffee

596
00:19:36,310 --> 00:19:34,480
two miles in and then i keep walking and

597
00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:36,320
i know exactly i can't remember exactly

598
00:19:40,710 --> 00:19:38,880
what year it was it was 2017 but i'm

599
00:19:42,470 --> 00:19:40,720
walking down the street

600
00:19:44,310 --> 00:19:42,480
and the flow state starts and i go get

601
00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:44,320
up and get a pen and start running

602
00:19:47,590 --> 00:19:46,320
writing this stuff down and there was 24

603
00:19:49,510 --> 00:19:47,600
things that were given to me one after

604
00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:49,520
another it was cold i'd take my glove

605
00:19:53,270 --> 00:19:51,200
off i was writing this on this piece of

606
00:19:54,710 --> 00:19:53,280
paper and luckily i did because you it's

607
00:19:56,630 --> 00:19:54,720
like a dream you will not remember it if

608
00:19:59,350 --> 00:19:56,640
you unless you write it down so i wrote

609
00:20:02,710 --> 00:19:59,360
all this stuff down and um

610
00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:02,720
it was basically the whole idea of

611
00:20:06,950 --> 00:20:04,320
at one point they said not only have you

612
00:20:08,549 --> 00:20:06,960
got it wrong it's exactly the opposite

613
00:20:10,149 --> 00:20:08,559
of what you think it is and it was this

614
00:20:12,230 --> 00:20:10,159
idea is the world made out of nuts and

615
00:20:13,830 --> 00:20:12,240
bolts if it is that's one world

616
00:20:15,510 --> 00:20:13,840
and that has all the certain rules and

617
00:20:16,950 --> 00:20:15,520
regulations but

618
00:20:18,230 --> 00:20:16,960
it's made out of consciousness that's a

619
00:20:19,350 --> 00:20:18,240
completely different world it's got

620
00:20:20,789 --> 00:20:19,360
different rules and regulations

621
00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:20,799
everything's going to change

622
00:20:25,990 --> 00:20:23,600
is it is it one life if it's one life

623
00:20:27,750 --> 00:20:26,000
then that's one one uh

624
00:20:30,390 --> 00:20:27,760
set of circumstances but if it's

625
00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:30,400
multiple lives everything changes is it

626
00:20:34,230 --> 00:20:32,400
random if it's random it's one world but

627
00:20:35,510 --> 00:20:34,240
if it's pattern if it's all following a

628
00:20:37,669 --> 00:20:35,520
pattern it's a different world and was

629
00:20:39,190 --> 00:20:37,679
these 24 things is it this is it and

630
00:20:41,830 --> 00:20:39,200
this is the idea you think it's this

631
00:20:43,350 --> 00:20:41,840
exactly it's exactly the opposite idea

632
00:20:44,789 --> 00:20:43,360
and all that has turned out to be true

633
00:20:47,590 --> 00:20:44,799
as well none of that has ever turned out

634
00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:47,600
to be wrong so i've used a lot of this

635
00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:49,360
flow state stuff

636
00:20:53,590 --> 00:20:51,520
where i know when i get the flow state

637
00:20:56,549 --> 00:20:53,600
it usually starts where i could feel it

638
00:20:58,549 --> 00:20:56,559
coming then i wrote write down one idea

639
00:21:00,630 --> 00:20:58,559
and then it starts to flow and i and i

640
00:21:02,310 --> 00:21:00,640
madly write this stuff down and i never

641
00:21:04,950 --> 00:21:02,320
in i've got maybe a thousand pieces of

642
00:21:07,190 --> 00:21:04,960
paper i never reread the pieces of paper

643
00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:07,200
i i once i write it down then it's sort

644
00:21:10,950 --> 00:21:08,880
of in my mind and that's the way i'm

645
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:10,960
working and so i said the bottom line is

646
00:21:15,430 --> 00:21:12,880
the experiencers are the people who are

647
00:21:16,950 --> 00:21:15,440
in the field they've the beings have

648
00:21:18,149 --> 00:21:16,960
shown them how to get in the field and a

649
00:21:20,390 --> 00:21:18,159
lot of that may have to do with

650
00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:20,400
disassociation or i make the joke why

651
00:21:23,830 --> 00:21:22,000
does an alien come into your room and

652
00:21:25,669 --> 00:21:23,840
scare the living daylights out of you i

653
00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:25,679
mean why would it wake you up wake up

654
00:21:28,789 --> 00:21:27,760
wake up come on wake up and they wake up

655
00:21:30,149 --> 00:21:28,799
and as soon as you wake up they put your

656
00:21:31,830 --> 00:21:30,159
hand on your head and say okay go back

657
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:31,840
to sleep and you go back to sleep again

658
00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:33,360
and i think that may be part of this

659
00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:35,679
dissociation thing it's this trauma this

660
00:21:40,549 --> 00:21:37,840
dissociation ripping the veil getting

661
00:21:43,510 --> 00:21:40,559
you ready to go and the more i see the

662
00:21:45,909 --> 00:21:43,520
more i realize that that it is not the

663
00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:45,919
world we think it is i call it the 1492

664
00:21:49,750 --> 00:21:48,400
dilemma it looks like the world is flat

665
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:49,760
it looks like the sun goes around the

666
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:51,679
earth it looks like everything's solid

667
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:53,360
it looks like there's aliens coming from

668
00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:55,200
out there there may not be any time

669
00:21:58,149 --> 00:21:56,640
there may not be any space especially

670
00:21:59,350 --> 00:21:58,159
when you look at out-of-body experience

671
00:22:01,270 --> 00:21:59,360
material

672
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:01,280
where you take a look at the out-of-body

673
00:22:05,350 --> 00:22:03,120
experience which a lot of experiences

674
00:22:07,270 --> 00:22:05,360
eighty percent of all experiences say

675
00:22:08,549 --> 00:22:07,280
they've had an out-of-body experience

676
00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:08,559
and that's not everybody but it's

677
00:22:12,310 --> 00:22:10,320
getting pretty close and then you start

678
00:22:14,549 --> 00:22:12,320
wondering is this actually an event or

679
00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:14,559
is this is this a not a body experience

680
00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:16,080
is there really a physical world is

681
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:17,840
there really a physical reality or are

682
00:22:21,510 --> 00:22:19,200
we in these different realities because

683
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:21,520
if you take a look yeah i'll end at this

684
00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:22,640
if you take a look at the nearest

685
00:22:25,990 --> 00:22:24,720
experience if you have a not a near well

686
00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:26,000
near this experience the same thing but

687
00:22:28,950 --> 00:22:27,280
if you have an out-of-body experience

688
00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:28,960
where you leave your body and you look

689
00:22:32,230 --> 00:22:31,280
back at your body you can see your body

690
00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:32,240
there

691
00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:34,240
and you can see the head

692
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:35,840
which has the brain in it and then you

693
00:22:38,870 --> 00:22:36,880
go

694
00:22:41,590 --> 00:22:38,880
is consciousness in the brain and you

695
00:22:44,789 --> 00:22:41,600
don't oh it's not in the brain can't you

696
00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:44,799
your body is in your consciousness

697
00:22:47,990 --> 00:22:46,320
this is there you can see the brain the

698
00:22:50,070 --> 00:22:48,000
consciousness is not the brain is is

699
00:22:52,149 --> 00:22:50,080
your sight in your in your eyes we have

700
00:22:54,149 --> 00:22:52,159
these kids who do the blindfold no

701
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:54,159
because you're seeing and so you can

702
00:22:57,990 --> 00:22:55,840
even actually look around and you see

703
00:22:59,669 --> 00:22:58,000
the alien is the alien out there no the

704
00:23:01,270 --> 00:22:59,679
aliens in your consciousness look out

705
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:01,280
the window it's that nighttime you see

706
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:03,120
the stars and the planets and stuff is

707
00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:04,880
that stuff out there no it's in your

708
00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:06,640
consciousness and that's what deepak

709
00:23:10,310 --> 00:23:08,240
chopra says and you start to see this

710
00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:10,320
holographic universe the simulated

711
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:12,400
universe uh the beings in great britain

712
00:23:16,390 --> 00:23:14,480
that say it's all an illusion or deepak

713
00:23:18,789 --> 00:23:16,400
chopra says everything's an activity

714
00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:18,799
inside consciousness and that's where

715
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:20,480
we're going in ufology that's i think

716
00:23:25,270 --> 00:23:23,280
the big secret is that it is not the

717
00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:25,280
physical world we think it is it's this

718
00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:28,720
very complex thing that is all inside if

719
00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:30,159
there's no time and space and i've had

720
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:32,080
lots of people who've flown the craft

721
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:34,080
who will talk about unbelievable things

722
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:36,240
you can do instantaneous movement from

723
00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:38,480
one part of the universe to the other

724
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:40,480
if there's no time and space

725
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:42,720
if everything's inside your awareness

726
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:44,880
inside your consciousness how big is the

727
00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:46,000
universe

728
00:23:52,149 --> 00:23:48,559
you're in my consciousness i'm in your

729
00:23:54,149 --> 00:23:52,159
consciousness everything as they said uh

730
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:54,159
grier used to do the expression the the

731
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:57,120
sufi poet who said you see yourself as a

732
00:24:02,149 --> 00:23:59,760
puny form when the universe is folded

733
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:02,159
within you if that is true if the

734
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:05,520
universe is within you or as uh

735
00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:07,919
john wheeler the famous quantum

736
00:24:13,990 --> 00:24:10,240
physicist said there's no out there out

737
00:24:16,310 --> 00:24:14,000
there if it's all inside the whole world

738
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:16,320
is a different world than we think it is

739
00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:17,760
we're just making these illusions we

740
00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:19,440
think it looks solid we think it looks

741
00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:20,960
flat we think the sun's going around the

742
00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:22,960
earth we think there's only 5 000 stars

743
00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:24,640
there's only one galaxy

744
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:26,320
and the more we realize the more we

745
00:24:30,390 --> 00:24:27,440
realize

746
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:30,400
that we have got it wrong almost like

747
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:33,200
they've mutilated the whole um

748
00:24:35,909 --> 00:24:34,080
um

749
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:35,919
scientific method descartes when you

750
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:37,200
start looking at

751
00:24:42,549 --> 00:24:40,080
rene descartes what he said was not be

752
00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:42,559
skeptical of new ideas he said he was

753
00:24:46,870 --> 00:24:44,720
skeptical of all the material that he

754
00:24:49,350 --> 00:24:46,880
had been taught i have to tear down my

755
00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:49,360
former my former life and that's the

756
00:24:54,149 --> 00:24:51,760
thing we are we can't give up the stuff

757
00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:54,159
we learned in school and all these ideas

758
00:24:59,669 --> 00:24:56,320
we won't drop them and because you have

759
00:25:01,029 --> 00:24:59,679
anomalies or gary nolan from

760
00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:01,039
who works with the you know the

761
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:03,120
individual college people he does the

762
00:25:07,830 --> 00:25:05,679
dna stuff he said it's the five percent

763
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:07,840
anomalies that he's interested in

764
00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:09,520
because it's the five percent anomalies

765
00:25:13,830 --> 00:25:11,440
that tell you there's something wrong

766
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:13,840
with the way we're viewing stuff and

767
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:15,200
when you figure out the five percent

768
00:25:18,789 --> 00:25:16,880
anomalies you're going to win the nobel

769
00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:18,799
prize and have the inventions as long as

770
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:20,559
you continue to believe that everything

771
00:25:26,470 --> 00:25:22,080
you've got is right you're never going

772
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:31,190
love it dj i think you're a moot sorry

773
00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:33,830
thank you brother yeah um not only was

774
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:34,720
uh

775
00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:38,159
the show but

776
00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:40,640
the topics that you're covering i

777
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:42,880
analogized to like going to albuquerque

778
00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:45,200
and getting a mexican sopapilla

779
00:25:49,029 --> 00:25:47,840
and the sopapilla comes out and it's a

780
00:25:50,470 --> 00:25:49,039
warm

781
00:25:53,830 --> 00:25:50,480
piece of

782
00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:53,840
sort of uh pastry bread it's not flaky

783
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:55,520
and then when they bring you over the

784
00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:58,080
the honey or the spicy honey because for

785
00:26:01,669 --> 00:25:59,840
nathan you talking about consciousness

786
00:26:04,390 --> 00:26:01,679
and different realities this is like

787
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:04,400
he's got the warm sopapilla and now he's

788
00:26:08,830 --> 00:26:07,039
gonna dip it in that honey

789
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:08,840
and now i'm really really hungry

790
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:11,279
yes oh this is just like you're you're

791
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:13,520
right in his wheelhouse yeah everything

792
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:14,960
and so

793
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:19,039
discussion uh of consciousness that has

794
00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:20,720
gone throughout the weekend and i posed

795
00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:22,720
this question to him today so i'll pose

796
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:25,760
it to you um with regard to

797
00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:29,039
consciousness do you suppose because you

798
00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:31,279
know we all i think everybody that's on

799
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:33,679
this cat this broadcast today believes

800
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:36,240
that when this physical body passes our

801
00:26:39,909 --> 00:26:38,320
consciousness will remain and my

802
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:39,919
question to you would be

803
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:42,559
is there agency as to where that

804
00:26:48,070 --> 00:26:45,600
consciousness goes and what it does

805
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:48,080
uh we talk about

806
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:50,080
spirits that are in a house that that

807
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:52,880
seem to be uh want to affix themselves

808
00:26:57,269 --> 00:26:55,200
to a physical place and then interact

809
00:26:59,590 --> 00:26:57,279
with people that that inhabit the home

810
00:27:03,029 --> 00:26:59,600
but but do you think that consciousness

811
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:03,039
uh uh has agency your consciousness mind

812
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:04,320
everyone here

813
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:07,679
okay so i go much more fundamental

814
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:10,480
there is no out there out there there is

815
00:27:14,789 --> 00:27:13,120
just consciousness so when you rebuild

816
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:14,799
man if you if you interview bulma who's

817
00:27:18,630 --> 00:27:17,200
the top guy on a body experience he's

818
00:27:20,310 --> 00:27:18,640
the one that first triggered this with

819
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:20,320
me he said you're not going anywhere

820
00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:22,480
you're going within yourself when you

821
00:27:26,630 --> 00:27:25,039
die you go within yourself there's no

822
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:26,640
out there out there the time and space

823
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:28,559
is all the side this whole weird thing

824
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:31,200
is what happens if it's all inside your

825
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:33,360
consciousness so you're going you're

826
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:34,559
going within and i'll give you an

827
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:36,640
example i have an ai friend of mine

828
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:38,960
who's an ai expert and we got into the

829
00:27:42,389 --> 00:27:40,320
psychedelic thing i wrote a book on

830
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:42,399
psychedelics i did uh

831
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:46,320
16 high-dose sessions of of psilocybin

832
00:27:49,830 --> 00:27:48,080
and recorded everything as it was going

833
00:27:51,510 --> 00:27:49,840
on and stuff like that and he was doing

834
00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:51,520
the dmt stuff

835
00:27:55,269 --> 00:27:53,600
and he he contacted me the one day and i

836
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:55,279
knew i knew the stat had already existed

837
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:56,399
but he said

838
00:28:00,630 --> 00:27:58,320
i had a classic abduction experience

839
00:28:03,190 --> 00:28:00,640
last night and i said you did what he

840
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:03,200
said yeah i said well that was the story

841
00:28:08,389 --> 00:28:05,600
that when when strossman did the dmt

842
00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:08,399
experiments he had this thing where 50

843
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:09,679
of all the people said they had seen

844
00:28:14,389 --> 00:28:11,600
beings and they're lying on a couch this

845
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:14,399
is 10 minutes in a dmt thing and

846
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:16,480
strassmann is going have you been

847
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:17,520
abducted do you think you've been

848
00:28:20,789 --> 00:28:18,640
abducted they're going no i don't think

849
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:20,799
so i don't look a bit and and and so

850
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:22,720
when this ai guy said i said well tell

851
00:28:27,029 --> 00:28:25,279
me exactly what this is what what is

852
00:28:29,830 --> 00:28:27,039
what do you mean classic he said was

853
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:29,840
classic abduction t i'm on a table i can

854
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:31,120
i can't see the beings but i can see

855
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:32,880
their arms and they're working on my

856
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:34,080
head there's like you always hear this

857
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:35,200
thing they're working on your brain or

858
00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:38,000
something and i said really and so where

859
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:40,480
did he go he didn't go anywhere he was

860
00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:43,120
lying on a couch and yet he said and

861
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:44,320
everybody will say whether it's

862
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:45,679
psychedelics whether it's near death

863
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:46,799
experience whether it's out-of-body

864
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:47,760
experience

865
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:49,919
that's the real world we think oh it's

866
00:28:53,830 --> 00:28:52,399
just an illusion no they'll say that's

867
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:53,840
the real world you're in the illusion

868
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:56,159
this was more real than the real world

869
00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:57,600
and you start to get this so the whole

870
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:59,600
thing is there it's there is no

871
00:29:03,669 --> 00:29:01,440
separation in consciousness

872
00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:03,679
so every well because we we

873
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:05,760
again we're buying into these these

874
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:08,480
religious ideas scientific ideas the

875
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:11,120
idea of materialism was raised by by

876
00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:13,279
karl marx who invented communism in

877
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:15,919
1840s in 1840s that's when he came up

878
00:29:18,630 --> 00:29:17,120
with the idea of materialism before

879
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:18,640
there was the idea no idea of

880
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:20,159
materialism that there's just this

881
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:22,880
material thing and and so we have we and

882
00:29:26,950 --> 00:29:25,039
the biblical thing plays into the same

883
00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:26,960
game is god created the heaven and the

884
00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:29,360
earth and then he took it took them and

885
00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:31,120
then he breathed in a soul

886
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:33,679
well no if you look at the new stuff

887
00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:36,000
this the the idea of the simulated

888
00:29:39,909 --> 00:29:37,840
universe and the holographic universe

889
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:39,919
it's all consciousness so what i would

890
00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:41,919
say and my bottom line would be there is

891
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:43,600
just consciousness it's all made out of

892
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:46,080
consciousness and god did not create the

893
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:48,720
heaven and the earth god split off these

894
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:50,960
the the particles the sparks of the

895
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:53,360
divine and they created the heaven and

896
00:29:57,269 --> 00:29:55,279
the earth because it's all made out of

897
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:57,279
consciousness we're creating the heaven

898
00:30:01,590 --> 00:30:00,000
and the earth it's all created and so we

899
00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:01,600
have to get away i think away from the

900
00:30:05,590 --> 00:30:03,679
idea that there's this physical with

901
00:30:07,990 --> 00:30:05,600
that's infested with comic uh

902
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:08,000
consciousness when in fact it's the the

903
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:10,080
the whole idea of the dual slit

904
00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:12,000
experiment that the material does not

905
00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:13,760
appear until there's an observer okay

906
00:30:17,350 --> 00:30:15,440
it's all being created by consciousness

907
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:17,360
there is no or a deepak troper says

908
00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:19,200
everything is an activity inside

909
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:21,039
consciousness

910
00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:23,520
yeah i have one thing so nathan nathan

911
00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:25,840
studied divinity i'd like to if you

912
00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:28,000
don't mind get his take on what what you

913
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:30,080
just said regarding god's role in in all

914
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:32,000
this unconsciousness

915
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:33,760
well i mean if i understand your grant i

916
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:35,440
think that um and what i've from what

917
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:37,760
i've read as well that it it

918
00:30:42,389 --> 00:30:39,840
god is just a word that we're using it's

919
00:30:44,470 --> 00:30:42,399
just a it's it's a label that we've used

920
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:44,480
in our religious traditions it really

921
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:46,159
kind of describes source you know

922
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:48,480
consciousness being mind at large i mean

923
00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:50,720
that's essentially god

924
00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:52,960
but what i would be curious about is do

925
00:30:57,509 --> 00:30:54,320
you

926
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:57,519
think of mind at large as uh

927
00:31:01,830 --> 00:31:00,080
in any way sort of anthropomorphic or is

928
00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:01,840
it just kind of as you said earlier just

929
00:31:05,509 --> 00:31:03,679
this foundational state of existence it

930
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:05,519
doesn't have its own

931
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:06,240
uh

932
00:31:10,950 --> 00:31:09,120
particular agency like you and i do

933
00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:10,960
but it is kind of the wellspring from

934
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:12,960
which all other individuated

935
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:15,840
consciousnesses uh derive

936
00:31:19,830 --> 00:31:17,279
yeah well that's the thing is the

937
00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:19,840
individual consciousness that that the

938
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:22,240
source whatever you want to call it

939
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:25,760
cannot if there's no duality it doesn't

940
00:31:31,029 --> 00:31:28,080
even know who it is itself i mean it's

941
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:31,039
it's just it's just one thing so once

942
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:33,360
once you have my my assistant desta

943
00:31:36,149 --> 00:31:34,559
barnaby

944
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:36,159
it does this channeling stuff and she

945
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:37,519
had this one

946
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:40,080
thing that she described to me where she

947
00:31:45,190 --> 00:31:42,880
saw how it started was you're in this

948
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:45,200
state of complete

949
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:48,000
silence no vibration so when the

950
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:50,720
consciousness the self the the

951
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:52,320
higher self the

952
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:54,799
source whatever starts to vibrate

953
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:57,600
it's the whole idea of the maya the

954
00:32:01,430 --> 00:31:59,519
illusion the illusion starts and it's

955
00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:01,440
all vibrations so the dense the more it

956
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:03,440
vibrates you get these different levels

957
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:05,360
but there is no levels we always

958
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:06,480
that's one of the things they said to me

959
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:09,600
in 2017 is is it one thing or is it

960
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:11,039
separate and we always want to go to the

961
00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:12,720
separation things our left brain is

962
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:15,200
running it and the left brain wants uh

963
00:32:18,549 --> 00:32:16,799
details and then once it details inside

964
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:18,559
the details and it wants to break things

965
00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:20,559
down let's make lists so we get lists we

966
00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:22,799
say oh there's these levels in in

967
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:25,360
of of reality and different levels of

968
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:27,120
dimension there is there is no levels

969
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:29,039
it's like falling in the water and you

970
00:32:32,549 --> 00:32:30,720
drop down to 50 feet and you see this

971
00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:32,559
fish and you say what level am i at and

972
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:34,320
the fish says what is stupid you're in

973
00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:35,440
the water i mean you're just in the

974
00:32:38,549 --> 00:32:37,440
water and the closer you get to the

975
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:38,559
surface

976
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:40,480
the closer you get the source

977
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:43,120
the more the the the brighter it gets

978
00:32:47,509 --> 00:32:44,960
and the more you can see so we're at the

979
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:47,519
bottom of the ocean in this darkness

980
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:49,600
and when you change your vibration

981
00:32:53,830 --> 00:32:51,760
through meditation through

982
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:53,840
71 contact modalities it went through

983
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:55,440
when you change your vibration you start

984
00:32:59,669 --> 00:32:57,760
to let you start to elevate through the

985
00:33:01,909 --> 00:32:59,679
different vibrations and the more you

986
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:01,919
your vibration changes the more you see

987
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:02,880
different things so if you're in a

988
00:33:05,669 --> 00:33:04,159
near-death experience you're a different

989
00:33:07,509 --> 00:33:05,679
vibration out-of-body experience in

990
00:33:09,669 --> 00:33:07,519
different vibration you see different

991
00:33:11,669 --> 00:33:09,679
things and the closer you get to source

992
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:11,679
the closer you get to the top the more

993
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:13,279
light there is in the water the more you

994
00:33:16,549 --> 00:33:15,039
can see but it's all the same thing

995
00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:16,559
where we want to change it into these

996
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:19,360
levels and and and put names on things

997
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:21,360
but that's left brain doing it it's all

998
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:23,440
an activity as deepak chopra says it's

999
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:25,440
all activity inside consciousness when

1000
00:33:30,630 --> 00:33:27,679
you break it down it's all us creating

1001
00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:30,640
this this uh um

1002
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:32,320
environment if you've if you've

1003
00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:34,799
interviewed mark sims mark sims talks

1004
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:37,760
about it and um also the other one that

1005
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:39,600
i was a big fan of i've had four big

1006
00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:41,840
experiences in my life one was seeing dr

1007
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:44,080
michael newton lecture dr michael newton

1008
00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:46,559
is behind life between lives and when i

1009
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:47,919
saw that i couldn't i couldn't think for

1010
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:49,919
two days when i saw so michael newton

1011
00:33:54,389 --> 00:33:52,480
talks about this idea that in this soul

1012
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:54,399
world these people are building stuff

1013
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:55,440
and he's going what are you building and

1014
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:57,440
the guy is making a rock he said you're

1015
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:59,440
making a rock and he said well yeah i'm

1016
00:34:02,789 --> 00:34:01,200
not very i'm not very good at this yet

1017
00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:02,799
and this is the thing they're using

1018
00:34:05,669 --> 00:34:04,240
consciousness to create or they're

1019
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:05,679
building these animals to put on

1020
00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:07,679
different planets and and this is this

1021
00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:10,159
idea and and mark sims so when mark sims

1022
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:11,839
came forward i don't know if he was

1023
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:13,679
experienced he was with stephen greer in

1024
00:34:17,990 --> 00:34:15,839
the ce5 and he has this this light

1025
00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:18,000
appears and so i always ask these

1026
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:19,520
certain questions to people i say so

1027
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:21,119
what was it doing the same as mine so

1028
00:34:24,069 --> 00:34:22,399
what was it doing

1029
00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:24,079
it wasn't doing anything

1030
00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:26,320
did everybody see it or did you see it

1031
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:28,560
no it's sort of just i sort of i saw it

1032
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:30,079
maybe somebody else saw but i think just

1033
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:31,520
i saw it i said do you think it was for

1034
00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:32,399
you

1035
00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:34,320
yeah i think so and he sees this light

1036
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:36,000
and then he goes and does his c5

1037
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:38,560
protocol in the room and this being

1038
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:41,839
tejbar tejibar appears and he's in his

1039
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:44,159
body for 13 days and tajabar gives him

1040
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:46,560
this using flowchart he gives them

1041
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:47,760
exactly the same flow chart that is

1042
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:49,919
michael newton and this whole idea that

1043
00:34:53,669 --> 00:34:51,760
it starts with very simple things with

1044
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:53,679
atoms and and it just gets more complex

1045
00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:55,440
and more complex and we're creating all

1046
00:34:58,230 --> 00:34:57,280
this stuff consciousness like atoms have

1047
00:35:00,069 --> 00:34:58,240
consciousness everything has

1048
00:35:01,510 --> 00:35:00,079
consciousness so the consciousness is at

1049
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:01,520
different levels and it gets more and

1050
00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:03,040
more complex and the universe is getting

1051
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:05,839
more complex and at level 15 in mark

1052
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:07,200
sims uh

1053
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:09,359
flowchart the beings are creating

1054
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:11,200
galaxies and so that's how it works it's

1055
00:35:14,950 --> 00:35:13,119
this flow of chart and the universe is

1056
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:14,960
all information is getting more complex

1057
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:16,960
and more magnificent but it's all

1058
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:18,160
consciousness we're creating

1059
00:35:21,190 --> 00:35:19,359
consciousness we have to get away from

1060
00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:21,200
the idea that there's this matter that

1061
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:22,960
has consciousness in it it's

1062
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:24,480
consciousness creates matter not the

1063
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:25,760
other way around the same as the thing

1064
00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:27,280
with the near-death experience or the

1065
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:28,960
out-of-body experience when you look

1066
00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:31,760
back and see your brain you realize

1067
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:35,359
your brain and all of the world the the

1068
00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:37,599
stars the planets it's all inside your

1069
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:39,920
consciousness that's the whole the whole

1070
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:41,760
deal as we make this assumption that

1071
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:43,680
we're inside the brain

1072
00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:45,119
and then the consciousness leaves and

1073
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:47,920
floats around but bulemen will say and

1074
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:49,200
near-death experienced people will say

1075
00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:50,240
no you're not going anywhere you're

1076
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:51,920
going inside yourself you're just going

1077
00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:53,680
back in through these different levels

1078
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:55,280
it's all within yourself and it may just

1079
00:35:59,589 --> 00:35:56,480
be like a

1080
00:36:01,349 --> 00:35:59,599
a singularity a point in space and

1081
00:36:02,950 --> 00:36:01,359
it's manipulated it looks like it's big

1082
00:36:04,950 --> 00:36:02,960
it looks like they're stars that's why i

1083
00:36:07,589 --> 00:36:04,960
say it i have the one

1084
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:07,599
guy whose name is ron johnson who had

1085
00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:10,240
the the craft flying where he they said

1086
00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:11,760
where would you like to go

1087
00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:12,880
and he says

1088
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:14,480
oh i would like to see the milky way

1089
00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:15,680
they got him sitting in a chair and he's

1090
00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:18,160
got his hands on on this on this chair

1091
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:20,320
and they they say wherever you think is

1092
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:21,680
where we're gonna go so he says where

1093
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:22,800
would you like to go he says i'd like to

1094
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:24,240
see the milky way from a distance and

1095
00:36:28,230 --> 00:36:25,680
they say this can be very violent for

1096
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:28,240
about one second and he said it was like

1097
00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:30,720
heavy heavy g-forces and this vibration

1098
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:32,720
for one second the window was open he

1099
00:36:36,150 --> 00:36:34,000
looked and there was the milky way in

1100
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:36,160
the distance that was one second so if

1101
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:37,920
that's true we've got a real problem

1102
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:39,520
with time and space is there such a

1103
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:41,760
thing in time as time and space in the

1104
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:44,000
real consciousness world and if there's

1105
00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:45,599
isn't how big is the universe the

1106
00:36:50,230 --> 00:36:47,920
universe may just actually be a point in

1107
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:50,240
space even like like uh the the whole

1108
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:52,079
thing with john wheeler again said this

1109
00:36:55,990 --> 00:36:54,480
whole idea there's only one electron and

1110
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:56,000
if that's true i mean it's like the

1111
00:36:59,670 --> 00:36:57,760
electron moving back and forth it's this

1112
00:37:01,109 --> 00:36:59,680
whole idea it's impression it looks like

1113
00:37:02,550 --> 00:37:01,119
it's flat it looks like the sun's going

1114
00:37:03,829 --> 00:37:02,560
around the earth we've got to realize

1115
00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:03,839
what's actually going on and that's

1116
00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:05,599
where i change from other people where

1117
00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:07,520
people want to take a look at at ufo

1118
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:08,880
sightings and gather how many green ones

1119
00:37:12,390 --> 00:37:10,160
and red ones and all that kind of stuff

1120
00:37:14,069 --> 00:37:12,400
there is no you talk to the experiencers

1121
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:14,079
and they they will actually ask the

1122
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:15,520
beings and the beings will tell them

1123
00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:17,280
what's actually going on and when you

1124
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:18,560
start looking at it you start seeing

1125
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:20,720
these patterns 37 have had near-death

1126
00:37:24,390 --> 00:37:22,800
experiences eighty percent have had uh

1127
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:24,400
out-of-body experiences twenty-five

1128
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:25,440
percent are talked to about

1129
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:26,960
reincarnation you start seeing these

1130
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:29,359
patterns of what people are being taught

1131
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:31,680
being told and that is the stuff that's

1132
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:33,760
in the field or people who say they knew

1133
00:37:37,349 --> 00:37:35,680
everything it's in the field and that is

1134
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:37,359
more accurate information than the

1135
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:39,599
rational analytical left brain that is

1136
00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:41,280
sitting here and shuffling around the

1137
00:37:44,790 --> 00:37:42,800
blocks it's like we have this idea we've

1138
00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:44,800
got all these puzzle pieces and the left

1139
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:46,240
brain is shuffling these puzzle pieces

1140
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:47,599
trying to put them together and some of

1141
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:48,800
the pieces don't fit but they're still

1142
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:50,560
trying to make them fit you've got to

1143
00:37:54,310 --> 00:37:52,000
figure figure out that we're missing

1144
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:54,320
some of the puzzle pieces and that that

1145
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:56,240
if you go into the field and pull that

1146
00:37:59,349 --> 00:37:57,839
material back so i'm very interested in

1147
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:59,359
people who channel i'm very interested

1148
00:38:03,030 --> 00:38:01,200
in people who have out-of-body

1149
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:03,040
experiences near-death experiences

1150
00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:05,520
psychedelics experiences ufo experiences

1151
00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:06,960
because they're in the field and that

1152
00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:08,240
material is going to be much more

1153
00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:10,640
accurate than the the the stuff that's

1154
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:13,680
now even go back 5 000 years the idea of

1155
00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:16,480
maya the idea of the illusion that it's

1156
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:18,640
all an illusion it's all consciousness

1157
00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:20,640
that's a 5 000 year old idea that

1158
00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:22,400
suddenly when we came to simulated

1159
00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:23,839
universe everyone oh yeah we just

1160
00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:25,280
invented this simulated universe it's

1161
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:27,119
all good at video games

1162
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:29,040
this thing out this is a 5 000 year old

1163
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:31,280
idea those people had it they meditated

1164
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:33,680
to get in the field 5000 years ago and

1165
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:35,200
and they they pulled that material and

1166
00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:36,160
that's the thing is when you start

1167
00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:37,839
looking at the material in the field i

1168
00:38:41,670 --> 00:38:39,440
think it's gonna be more accurate than

1169
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:41,680
trying to shuffle these pieces around

1170
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:43,200
and not look at the five percent that

1171
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:44,880
gary nolan talks about so five percent

1172
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:46,800
of the puzzle pieces that don't fit that

1173
00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:48,400
tell you something is wrong you've got

1174
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:50,240
something figured out and it's not

1175
00:38:55,510 --> 00:38:52,560
accurate

1176
00:38:57,670 --> 00:38:55,520
this is uh man this this conversation is

1177
00:39:00,150 --> 00:38:57,680
something that really makes all the

1178
00:39:01,510 --> 00:39:00,160
synapses in your brain fire when we

1179
00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:01,520
start talking about the size of the

1180
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:03,520
universe we start thinking i know we're

1181
00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:04,960
about to go to flares kevin and his

1182
00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:07,520
synapses are fired and and the uh you

1183
00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:09,599
know like the voyager that went to mars

1184
00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:11,359
like what what would happen if we just

1185
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:13,920
let that that craft you know continue on

1186
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:16,079
like what does it end up seeing because

1187
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:17,680
uh it is you know how big is the

1188
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:19,760
universe but kevin i'm sure you can

1189
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:21,119
answer all these questions but go ahead

1190
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:23,200
and ask graham oh question that you have

1191
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:25,760
oh wow man so yeah i'm glad that we're

1192
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:27,760
talking about uh slow state and

1193
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:29,680
phenomenon because i'm an artist i've

1194
00:39:34,069 --> 00:39:31,599
experienced flow state um

1195
00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:34,079
writing poetry writing fiction

1196
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:36,400
i'm a musician also i've experienced um

1197
00:39:40,150 --> 00:39:38,400
with and without people other people

1198
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:40,160
playing music like a band i've

1199
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:41,680
experienced flow state also i'm a

1200
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:43,520
martial artist i've experienced it

1201
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:45,359
during a sparring session

1202
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:48,560
um i also teach kids diagnose on with

1203
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:50,560
autism spectrum disorder and i have

1204
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:52,400
experienced it while teaching these

1205
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:54,400
groups of kids it's flow state

1206
00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:55,440
so um

1207
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:58,480
the flow state i've been trying to

1208
00:40:02,550 --> 00:40:00,240
come up with a operational definition

1209
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:02,560
for it so what i've got is it's for me

1210
00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:04,240
it's basically it's a physical

1211
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:05,920
manifestation

1212
00:40:11,589 --> 00:40:09,280
of unity between fluency of a skill and

1213
00:40:14,950 --> 00:40:11,599
the self expressed over time that's how

1214
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:14,960
i i seem to notice it so um how do you

1215
00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:16,720
think that art connects our

1216
00:40:20,550 --> 00:40:17,920
consciousness

1217
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:20,560
to the phenomenon as a whole like do you

1218
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:22,079
think it's perhaps like maybe a

1219
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:28,870
i'll give you my my my impression i i

1220
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:30,720
basically i wrote a book called tuned in

1221
00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:32,160
the paranormal world of music i wrote a

1222
00:40:35,589 --> 00:40:33,680
whole book on musicians right where they

1223
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:35,599
get their songs from and the download

1224
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:37,680
songs and the spontaneous songs and and

1225
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:39,200
they're all very right-brained creative

1226
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:41,520
people and that's what they said to

1227
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:43,920
roger lear who did the 17 alien implants

1228
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:45,839
in los angeles said what's common

1229
00:40:50,069 --> 00:40:48,000
between all experiencers he said they're

1230
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:50,079
all right brain creative people and

1231
00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:52,160
there's tons of them in hollywood and

1232
00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:53,839
and all implants are on the left side of

1233
00:40:57,510 --> 00:40:55,920
the body that's what he said he had 250

1234
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:57,520
implants that looked at all implants on

1235
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:58,720
the left side of the body the left side

1236
00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:00,880
of the body is run by the right brain

1237
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:02,640
the right the left

1238
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:04,880
vice versa so the right right brain runs

1239
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:06,720
left side of the body and the left brain

1240
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:08,000
runs the right side of the body so if

1241
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:09,359
all implants are on the left side of the

1242
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:11,440
body they ain't interested in your left

1243
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:13,440
brain they're operating on your right

1244
00:41:17,109 --> 00:41:15,520
brain which is the female creative brain

1245
00:41:18,790 --> 00:41:17,119
we have the male brain that's destroying

1246
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:18,800
the world here and then you have this

1247
00:41:25,109 --> 00:41:21,680
idea of the female brain that the so you

1248
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:25,119
see musicians it's all it an art it's

1249
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:28,480
all it's all visual it's all right brain

1250
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:30,240
so that's what you see in psychedelics

1251
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:31,760
that's what you see in dreams that's

1252
00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:33,200
what you see in all these sort of things

1253
00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:34,640
you're seeing you're not they don't come

1254
00:41:38,309 --> 00:41:36,880
to you and say uh here's a lecture and

1255
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:38,319
they stand up and give you a lecture or

1256
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:40,640
a left brain lecture they use images

1257
00:41:45,109 --> 00:41:42,960
that's what jim semivan said you look at

1258
00:41:47,109 --> 00:41:45,119
jim semivan the cia guy who had the

1259
00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:47,119
beings in his room what did he say they

1260
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:49,760
talk in symbols symbols is right brain

1261
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:52,640
it's visual and so musicians and artists

1262
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:54,880
you see a lot of them are experiencers

1263
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:56,880
because they have this right brain

1264
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:59,040
they're able to shut down the left brain

1265
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:00,960
it the rational analytical people don't

1266
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:02,880
have the experiences because they're so

1267
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:04,880
wrapped up in the ego and they're right

1268
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:06,800
their left brain they go it's like i

1269
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:08,160
don't need a briefing don't tell me

1270
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:09,760
what's going on i'll tell you exactly

1271
00:42:13,829 --> 00:42:12,160
and they can they use logic i can stand

1272
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:13,839
on my feet and argue with anybody i

1273
00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:15,599
don't need to read the book i can argue

1274
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:18,160
with you but it's the it's the the idea

1275
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:20,400
that art definitely we went through we

1276
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:23,040
did a bunch of uh podcasts with artists

1277
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:24,880
and how many of them were experiences

1278
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:26,400
and how how do you get your art and

1279
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:28,000
where do your songs come from and you'll

1280
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:29,680
ask people like how long did it take

1281
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:31,440
that song to come blowing in the wind

1282
00:42:36,150 --> 00:42:33,920
neil neil young and um

1283
00:42:37,829 --> 00:42:36,160
um the answer my friend is blowing in

1284
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:37,839
the wind yeah what yeah what's this

1285
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:39,359
what's his name i can't remember what

1286
00:42:42,069 --> 00:42:40,960
artist someone's got to google it stop

1287
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:42,079
dylan

1288
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:47,200
said

1289
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:49,040
so you got you did that in 10 minutes he

1290
00:42:50,710 --> 00:42:49,920
went

1291
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:50,720
yeah

1292
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:52,880
so where'd it come from

1293
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:55,200
i don't know i'm not sure that uh

1294
00:43:00,069 --> 00:42:56,960
wellspring of creativity and you see

1295
00:43:01,589 --> 00:43:00,079
this over and over musicians don't uh um

1296
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:01,599
michael jackson said he was embarrassed

1297
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:03,359
to put his name on the songs because he

1298
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:05,359
said i didn't write them he said i they

1299
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:06,560
definitely just came to me and that's

1300
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:08,400
the whole thing and that is the ability

1301
00:43:11,910 --> 00:43:10,400
to shut down so you've gotta you gotta

1302
00:43:14,309 --> 00:43:11,920
shut down the left brain musicians can

1303
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:14,319
do it is shut down that rational

1304
00:43:17,589 --> 00:43:15,680
analytical thing that's creating the

1305
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:17,599
noise and once you get rid of the noise

1306
00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:19,200
where there's meditation or however

1307
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:20,960
you're doing it and you get into that

1308
00:43:25,109 --> 00:43:23,119
flow state the left brain is shut down

1309
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:25,119
the flow state is on and the stuff comes

1310
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:26,640
starts coming in but it's coming in

1311
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:28,800
through images it's coming in sort of

1312
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:31,920
intuitively and and very vague and

1313
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:33,440
you've got to sort of interpret it and

1314
00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:34,800
stuff like that so that's my

1315
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:36,400
interpretation i think artists are are

1316
00:43:39,349 --> 00:43:38,000
very important that's where

1317
00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:39,359
like even

1318
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:41,200
roger lear said i mean all right brain

1319
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:42,240
created people that was his

1320
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:44,240
interpretation of all experiencers who

1321
00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:45,839
have been abducted so it's not like

1322
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:47,200
you're on the wrong street corner at the

1323
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:49,839
wrong time it's uh this whole idea that

1324
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:51,920
that you're in the right mind state that

1325
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:54,079
they can they can talk to you if your

1326
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:55,920
left brain is going they just can't talk

1327
00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:57,839
to you because your your your left brain

1328
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:59,200
is making too much noise they can't get

1329
00:44:03,109 --> 00:44:00,880
the signal to you everybody can get the

1330
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:03,119
signal it's the ability to get in that

1331
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:04,240
state

1332
00:44:07,829 --> 00:44:06,240
i feel like i'm missing half of each

1333
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:07,839
like i only have half of the left and

1334
00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:09,680
half of the right because i'm not that

1335
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:11,680
analytical i'm not that creative i don't

1336
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:12,720
i don't know if you have anybody that

1337
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:14,480
can help me out but

1338
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:15,920
well the question the question to that

1339
00:44:19,829 --> 00:44:18,000
is who's the eye that's talking mm-hmm

1340
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:19,839
yeah you often get that like jim semivan

1341
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:21,599
came up and said oh i don't i you know i

1342
00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:23,040
they made me very angry and i was like

1343
00:44:26,790 --> 00:44:25,040
well i and or people say i get very

1344
00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:26,800
upset well who's upset is he your ego is

1345
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:28,720
upset or is your higher self is upset

1346
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:30,079
it's always the eagle good point it's

1347
00:44:32,950 --> 00:44:31,760
the ego's running the show like he was

1348
00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:32,960
trying to figure out you know i've got

1349
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:34,480
this figured out and

1350
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:37,520
and and we always have to stay you know

1351
00:44:41,430 --> 00:44:39,520
the idea that

1352
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:41,440
all spiritual literature has one

1353
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:44,160
component to it says remember who you

1354
00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:46,240
actually are that's what it's all about

1355
00:44:50,069 --> 00:44:48,240
nobody ever thinks why did i come in the

1356
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:50,079
world and where am i going to go when i

1357
00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:51,920
leave the world and what am i doing here

1358
00:44:55,349 --> 00:44:53,920
that's never a consideration by anybody

1359
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:55,359
that is the number one thing we should

1360
00:44:59,589 --> 00:44:57,200
be working on is what the hell are we

1361
00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:59,599
doing here like what is going on here

1362
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:01,680
and and that's the idea as the way i

1363
00:45:04,390 --> 00:45:03,359
describe it is described by many

1364
00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:04,400
traditions

1365
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:09,599
it is remember you are not the actor on

1366
00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:12,800
the stage you are playing an actor on a

1367
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:15,280
stage big difference you're the person

1368
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:18,000
behind the stage and you're you're a

1369
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:20,400
spiritual being having a physical uh

1370
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:23,200
incarnation and when you leave it's like

1371
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:25,040
whitley strieber's wife

1372
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:27,119
and i talked to whitley about this uh

1373
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:29,760
whitley's wife comes back after

1374
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:33,200
she dies and she says uh whitley i'd

1375
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:35,200
like to tell you

1376
00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:37,359
i am no longer anne

1377
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:39,920
but i'll always be and to you which

1378
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:40,880
means

1379
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:42,880
i've gone on i'm i'm somebody else now

1380
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:44,880
i've gone on but i'll always be anne to

1381
00:45:49,349 --> 00:45:47,359
you because you and i played that role

1382
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:49,359
on stage it's like when my father died

1383
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:50,800
two days before my father died his

1384
00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:52,880
father came to see him and i said okay

1385
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:54,640
so if his father

1386
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:56,400
had lived a thousand lives why does he

1387
00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:58,240
come as my grandfather because if he

1388
00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:59,440
came to anybody else my father wouldn't

1389
00:46:03,670 --> 00:46:01,280
know who the hell he was right we come

1390
00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:03,680
in and we play whatever whatever role we

1391
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:05,440
want to play or as there's a guy by the

1392
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:07,920
name of jose uh uc ronan who's an

1393
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:09,440
experience he wrote a book called one

1394
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:10,560
which is the main message that the

1395
00:46:14,550 --> 00:46:11,760
beings are trying to get across this

1396
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:14,560
oneness message and and he the beings

1397
00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:16,079
were they were green beings that were in

1398
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:17,920
the room and the way they described it

1399
00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:20,079
when we come into your world

1400
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:22,319
we have to take on a body we can take on

1401
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:24,480
whatever body we want we don't need it

1402
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:26,160
but we have to take it on to come into

1403
00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:29,040
the physical world but we can we can we

1404
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:31,280
don't need it in our world you can do

1405
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:32,800
the same thing you just don't know it

1406
00:46:37,109 --> 00:46:34,720
and that's the whole idea is that so you

1407
00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:37,119
start looking at the beings where i i'll

1408
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:38,720
say all beings are different people said

1409
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:40,319
grace and when i put them all together

1410
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:41,680
you start putting them on a flowchart

1411
00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:42,960
you start looking they're all different

1412
00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:44,560
they're all look different and it's the

1413
00:46:49,270 --> 00:46:47,200
whole idea is does john mack brought

1414
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:49,280
this up does the being that you see

1415
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:51,359
indicate who you are if you're if you're

1416
00:46:55,910 --> 00:46:53,920
in fear you see a gray if you're uh

1417
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:55,920
you've got a sexual thing or very high

1418
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:57,680
energy you're going to see a reptilian

1419
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:00,480
and this whole idea uh

1420
00:47:05,829 --> 00:47:03,119
what you see may be interpreted by

1421
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:05,839
uh your your your they know what you

1422
00:47:09,430 --> 00:47:08,160
want to see they're showing you what

1423
00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:09,440
they're showing you what they think you

1424
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:11,680
want to see or we're seeing but to hold

1425
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:13,200
the ideas they're only one consciousness

1426
00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:14,800
we're behind this whole thing there's no

1427
00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:16,640
them there's there's just us we're

1428
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:17,839
creating this whole thing we're

1429
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:19,920
interacting with other sparks of divine

1430
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:21,680
but we're still creating this so we

1431
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:24,720
interpret based upon our feelings as to

1432
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:26,000
what they what what they're going to

1433
00:47:30,549 --> 00:47:28,400
look like and we we build the world it's

1434
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:30,559
it's the like no two dreams of the same

1435
00:47:35,109 --> 00:47:32,720
no two abduction experiences and i would

1436
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:35,119
even say that no two ufos are the same

1437
00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:36,640
that if you start looking at them like

1438
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:38,240
why do you have those lights on him it's

1439
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:40,319
like you know they would they they want

1440
00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:41,920
us to see them and people are

1441
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:44,000
interpreting it differently based upon

1442
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:45,920
how they see things because we're the

1443
00:47:49,109 --> 00:47:47,359
ones that are creating things we always

1444
00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:49,119
want to say there's something out there

1445
00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:51,119
the einstein thing i want to believe the

1446
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:52,960
moon is behind me when i'm not looking

1447
00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:54,400
and it's the whole idea is the moon

1448
00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:55,839
actually behind you or are we creating

1449
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:57,920
this is this collective reality are we

1450
00:48:01,030 --> 00:47:59,280
making this correct collective thing

1451
00:48:02,630 --> 00:48:01,040
that we are creating everything this is

1452
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:02,640
this whole idea god did not create the

1453
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:04,880
heaven and the earth or desire source or

1454
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:06,640
whatever you want to call it that we

1455
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:08,720
it's all consciousness it's all being

1456
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:10,480
created by the consciousness in the

1457
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:12,559
universe and it's getting more complex

1458
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:14,160
but there is no

1459
00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:15,760
separate consciousness we have this idea

1460
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:18,240
of ai that you can take ai and you can

1461
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:19,760
take the consciousness out and put it

1462
00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:22,079
into something but

1463
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:23,599
it's all gonna it's all consciousness

1464
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:25,359
everything we we're starting to learn

1465
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:26,880
everything has consciousness in it and

1466
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:29,200
when you talk to people who died

1467
00:48:34,549 --> 00:48:31,119
like sting the musician when he when he

1468
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:34,559
was doing the ayahuasca in peru uh or

1469
00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:36,960
brazil wherever he was he said when they

1470
00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:38,559
gave him the one they said which one of

1471
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:40,720
you would be sting and he goes that's me

1472
00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:42,000
oh we got special one for you and they

1473
00:48:46,069 --> 00:48:44,000
give him this huge thing

1474
00:48:47,589 --> 00:48:46,079
and he's absolutely like totally blown

1475
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:47,599
away i mean he's just like he said he

1476
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:49,280
went to the guy and begged him to to get

1477
00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:50,960
rid of him and get help me out of this

1478
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:52,800
thing and he said and and i suddenly

1479
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:54,240
realized everything was alive and

1480
00:48:57,430 --> 00:48:56,000
conscious and i looked at a little plant

1481
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:57,440
coming out of the ground and i said

1482
00:49:01,190 --> 00:48:59,440
that's my brother it's this concept that

1483
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:01,200
it's all consciousness all created out

1484
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:02,720
of consciousness and that's what people

1485
00:49:05,829 --> 00:49:04,160
will say when when they have these

1486
00:49:08,549 --> 00:49:05,839
experiences they suddenly realize

1487
00:49:10,069 --> 00:49:08,559
everything is alive and conscious and

1488
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:10,079
and it's all consciousness so when you

1489
00:49:14,790 --> 00:49:12,960
have the craft you have the aai yes the

1490
00:49:16,549 --> 00:49:14,800
craft is conscious everybody that's

1491
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:16,559
flown the craft will tell you the craft

1492
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:18,960
is conscious it's a lie and when you put

1493
00:49:23,430 --> 00:49:21,680
your hand on a panel or on a ball or

1494
00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:23,440
wherever they get you to put your hand

1495
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:24,800
and you become one with the craft

1496
00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:26,400
everybody says the same thing the 747

1497
00:49:29,829 --> 00:49:28,000
airline pilot he said i had to dream

1498
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:29,839
twice and he said that joe burks told me

1499
00:49:32,630 --> 00:49:30,960
he said you know i don't think it's a

1500
00:49:34,230 --> 00:49:32,640
dream tell me to tell me this story and

1501
00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:34,240
he said i had a dream last year and

1502
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:37,839
here's the 747 400 united airlines pilot

1503
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:39,839
describing this thing that that he

1504
00:49:43,109 --> 00:49:41,359
became one of the craft he said was like

1505
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:43,119
it was totally he was totally linked in

1506
00:49:46,549 --> 00:49:44,880
he became the craft and whatever he

1507
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:46,559
thought is what the craft did and that's

1508
00:49:50,230 --> 00:49:48,559
this whole idea that people will say the

1509
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:50,240
the being will say to you okay where do

1510
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:52,079
you want to go and they'll say

1511
00:49:56,309 --> 00:49:53,920
i want to go somewhere and they say okay

1512
00:49:58,150 --> 00:49:56,319
you imagine it you have to imagine it

1513
00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:58,160
get it in your mind and they say as soon

1514
00:50:01,349 --> 00:49:59,680
as they get in their mind they are there

1515
00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:01,359
instantaneously wherever it is in the

1516
00:50:05,670 --> 00:50:03,440
universe and that's this whole idea when

1517
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:05,680
you start if that stories are true

1518
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:07,119
the idea that we have of how the

1519
00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:09,119
universe works is totally messed up it

1520
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:11,119
is so we're missing the boat

1521
00:50:14,549 --> 00:50:12,800
may be this totally different thing that

1522
00:50:17,349 --> 00:50:14,559
it's the the physical thing when you

1523
00:50:18,870 --> 00:50:17,359
break down all the physical uh stuff it

1524
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:18,880
breaks down into smaller and smaller

1525
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:20,400
components it ends up being energy it

1526
00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:23,200
ends up being vibration and and even

1527
00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:26,960
niels bohr said um back in 100 years ago

1528
00:50:31,030 --> 00:50:28,800
he said there is no and this guy won the

1529
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:31,040
nobel prize for the adam he said there

1530
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:33,520
is no matter as such we're still in this

1531
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:35,520
belief that there is this physical thing

1532
00:50:39,910 --> 00:50:37,920
and it's solid and it's it doesn't have

1533
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:39,920
any consciousness in it and these are

1534
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:41,760
all ideas that i say are and are going

1535
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:45,119
to end up being totally wrong

1536
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:47,280
yeah yeah i agree deb i know you had a

1537
00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:48,720
question i wanted to make sure you had a

1538
00:50:53,589 --> 00:50:52,079
chance to ask it yeah i'm trying to wrap

1539
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:53,599
my head around this i've said it a

1540
00:50:58,390 --> 00:50:55,760
couple of times trying to try to get it

1541
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:58,400
all but but um one thing i've noticed

1542
00:51:01,670 --> 00:51:00,160
though is that there seems to be an

1543
00:51:04,549 --> 00:51:01,680
aspect that's like maybe shared

1544
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:04,559
consciousness um because some of my

1545
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:06,800
experiences in meditation other people

1546
00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:08,880
have experienced as well and

1547
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:10,800
and we were actually touching on this a

1548
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:13,040
little bit before the show one of the

1549
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:15,119
things that i've experienced in

1550
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:17,520
meditation was being shown how to fly

1551
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:20,480
the craft it was not with controls it

1552
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:22,800
was with my mind and it was you know

1553
00:51:26,309 --> 00:51:23,920
like

1554
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:26,319
the the craft is alive it becomes a part

1555
00:51:31,750 --> 00:51:28,319
of you like an extension

1556
00:51:33,910 --> 00:51:31,760
and um i guess my question

1557
00:51:37,349 --> 00:51:33,920
is why do you think it is that we're

1558
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:37,359
having this shared commonalities with

1559
00:51:46,230 --> 00:51:43,750
it's a teaching process it's all

1560
00:51:48,870 --> 00:51:46,240
developing and

1561
00:51:50,470 --> 00:51:48,880
learning and making more making the

1562
00:51:52,870 --> 00:51:50,480
universe more complex

1563
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:52,880
it's all it's all going to be uh the the

1564
00:51:56,309 --> 00:51:54,720
whole concept how do why are we here i

1565
00:51:59,589 --> 00:51:56,319
mean we're here to learn certain things

1566
00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:59,599
to experience certain things even just a

1567
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:01,200
lot of the

1568
00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:03,599
people whether it's the guides

1569
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:06,000
called the guides

1570
00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:08,400
margie getz uh the

1571
00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:09,920
contact she's got are the beings when i

1572
00:52:13,510 --> 00:52:11,680
went to the beings in great britain i

1573
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:13,520
said to the beings they wanted an

1574
00:52:16,710 --> 00:52:14,880
interview so and they're actually going

1575
00:52:17,910 --> 00:52:16,720
to do a documentary that i'm going to do

1576
00:52:19,990 --> 00:52:17,920
an interview with these two women that

1577
00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:20,000
are con to contact these beings and i

1578
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:22,400
asked the beings i said uh are you

1579
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:24,000
extraterrestrials and i said

1580
00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:25,280
oh if you want us to be

1581
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:27,200
extraterrestrials we could do that yeah

1582
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:28,240
we could actually take care to our

1583
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:30,800
planet if you want but no we've always

1584
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:32,880
been here and that's this whole idea is

1585
00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:35,280
like is there actually any anything out

1586
00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:38,400
there or is it all within ourselves so

1587
00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:41,119
you have this um this this idea that

1588
00:52:45,829 --> 00:52:42,800
we're all there

1589
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:45,839
uh but in the end it it sparks of the

1590
00:52:50,470 --> 00:52:47,680
divine that are broken off and we work

1591
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:50,480
in pairs if you follow dr michael newton

1592
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:52,800
that we pair up in the old idea that we

1593
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:54,720
may have i had an agreement before we

1594
00:52:57,750 --> 00:52:55,920
were born that all of us are going to

1595
00:52:58,630 --> 00:52:57,760
get together and do the show oh yeah

1596
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:58,640
okay you're going to do this you're

1597
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:59,760
going to do this and everybody's got

1598
00:53:02,950 --> 00:53:00,880
their little thing they're supposed to

1599
00:53:05,349 --> 00:53:02,960
do and we're gathering together but

1600
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:05,359
we're all players on a stage we're all

1601
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:06,880
these actors on the stage and we got to

1602
00:53:11,349 --> 00:53:08,880
keep remembering that that when it's all

1603
00:53:13,349 --> 00:53:11,359
over i mean you you if you take this too

1604
00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:13,359
seriously the world and actually believe

1605
00:53:18,630 --> 00:53:16,640
the ego who am i you know the i i i i

1606
00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:18,640
and and then you get off stage you know

1607
00:53:22,150 --> 00:53:20,720
you're you're you're the people in your

1608
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:22,160
soul group are going to say

1609
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:24,480
oh uh dj man you you really bought into

1610
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:25,680
that thing man you really thought you're

1611
00:53:28,790 --> 00:53:26,880
a dj

1612
00:53:30,870 --> 00:53:28,800
you get the academy award man you just

1613
00:53:32,390 --> 00:53:30,880
you got you got you played it so well

1614
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:32,400
you actually believed it and we all

1615
00:53:35,910 --> 00:53:33,920
believe it we actually believe that we

1616
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:35,920
are and then once you die you suddenly

1617
00:53:40,390 --> 00:53:38,640
realize like huh oh i you know i'm going

1618
00:53:42,230 --> 00:53:40,400
on to a different life and that was just

1619
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:42,240
an act that was just a play that we did

1620
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:43,680
but it was to learn things it was to

1621
00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:45,839
experience things to uh get it more

1622
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:47,920
complex i think the one thing i like to

1623
00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:50,400
point out because my my my associate

1624
00:53:54,150 --> 00:53:52,480
audesta and i had an experience with she

1625
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:54,160
had this long

1626
00:53:58,069 --> 00:53:56,319
channeling thing where she had this uh

1627
00:53:59,349 --> 00:53:58,079
they basically told her it's all

1628
00:54:01,030 --> 00:53:59,359
pre-planned

1629
00:54:03,430 --> 00:54:01,040
just live your life i mean you planned

1630
00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:03,440
it it's all like like uh like strings or

1631
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:04,720
whatever and she was describing this and

1632
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:06,480
she was really angry because it sort of

1633
00:54:09,910 --> 00:54:08,160
disagreed with everything and she can

1634
00:54:11,589 --> 00:54:09,920
actually have this contact back and

1635
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:11,599
forth and she's she's in this altered

1636
00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:13,520
state and she's typing and and she's in

1637
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:15,119
this alternating she's sort of fighting

1638
00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:16,559
with them and then they start to stop

1639
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:18,800
refusing to stop answering questions and

1640
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:20,160
stuff and she was really upset about

1641
00:54:23,750 --> 00:54:22,559
this and and it was this whole idea that

1642
00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:23,760
it's all planned but i think it's

1643
00:54:28,309 --> 00:54:26,240
planned between births between lives

1644
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:28,319
it's not like an overall plan that when

1645
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:30,000
you come in you plan to get together

1646
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:31,599
certain people and do certain things and

1647
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:33,599
you may veer off the path or stuff but

1648
00:54:38,309 --> 00:54:36,240
but it's basically this thing and uh but

1649
00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:38,319
she was basically and the being said the

1650
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:40,400
same thing just enjoy it because it's

1651
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:41,920
all it's you you planned this whole

1652
00:54:45,670 --> 00:54:44,160
thing i mean you came in to do this and

1653
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:45,680
that's what we always forget we forget

1654
00:54:49,589 --> 00:54:47,920
who we are we came into the world to do

1655
00:54:51,349 --> 00:54:49,599
something and we sort of think that

1656
00:54:53,109 --> 00:54:51,359
we're we're individuals and we're here

1657
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:53,119
we're trying to rape pillage kill and

1658
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:56,240
steal and in the end uh we've we've come

1659
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:58,480
in to do something so we we don't really

1660
00:55:00,950 --> 00:55:00,000
have to worry about what anybody else is

1661
00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:00,960
doing

1662
00:55:04,390 --> 00:55:03,119
uh whether it's right or wrong because

1663
00:55:06,309 --> 00:55:04,400
in the end i've never converted to

1664
00:55:08,789 --> 00:55:06,319
anybody in ufology i've never convinced

1665
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:08,799
anybody of anything and i read stanton

1666
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:10,480
friedman's files he spent 61 years

1667
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:11,760
arguing with the top skeptics he never

1668
00:55:15,910 --> 00:55:13,520
convinced anybody people are on their

1669
00:55:18,390 --> 00:55:15,920
own little path and so it comes down to

1670
00:55:20,069 --> 00:55:18,400
why did i come into the world

1671
00:55:21,990 --> 00:55:20,079
uh what am i supposed to be doing and am

1672
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:22,000
i doing it because when i when you leave

1673
00:55:24,870 --> 00:55:23,280
according to michael newton they only

1674
00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:24,880
ask you one question when you go in

1675
00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:26,960
front of this g this uh panel of life

1676
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:29,280
review with three to twelve people where

1677
00:55:32,789 --> 00:55:30,720
these medals around their chest or

1678
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:32,799
whatever they only ask you one question

1679
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:34,640
so it's hard to work out

1680
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:36,400
and and you can't say uh well you know

1681
00:55:40,950 --> 00:55:38,000
if we're in for hillary clinton and my

1682
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:42,710
you know all this sort of stuff i would

1683
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:44,400
have done something and and they go no

1684
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:46,640
no no no time out this is about you what

1685
00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:48,240
you agreed to do this to go into the

1686
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:49,920
world and do this did you how did it

1687
00:55:53,829 --> 00:55:52,079
work out and there is no you know

1688
00:55:55,829 --> 00:55:53,839
damning or whatever it's like oh you

1689
00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:55,839
know i was going to do it i forgot or

1690
00:55:59,030 --> 00:55:57,359
you know i got scared or whatever and

1691
00:56:01,829 --> 00:55:59,040
that's i think what it all comes down to

1692
00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:01,839
is is remembering who we are that we are

1693
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:03,280
energy beings

1694
00:56:08,230 --> 00:56:06,720
55 percent of all people talk about uh

1695
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:08,240
energy beings and i'm actually going to

1696
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:10,160
interview um

1697
00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:12,960
a woman who's an oceanographer i know if

1698
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:14,720
you've ever heard of her um

1699
00:56:20,230 --> 00:56:18,000
ingrid uh hunkala who's uh she worked

1700
00:56:22,549 --> 00:56:20,240
for nasa and she worked for

1701
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:22,559
uh the navy she's been in 75 different

1702
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:24,960
countries she's got a phd and she had a

1703
00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:26,400
near experience at three years old and

1704
00:56:31,030 --> 00:56:28,240
you start looking at that and you see

1705
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:31,040
exactly the same thing she's she said i

1706
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:33,280
was i was out of my body she was drowned

1707
00:56:37,349 --> 00:56:35,520
in a pool in the back in the backyard

1708
00:56:39,190 --> 00:56:37,359
and she's there and she said she

1709
00:56:41,270 --> 00:56:39,200
suddenly she was above the maid she's

1710
00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:41,280
just oh there's there's maria and then

1711
00:56:44,789 --> 00:56:42,720
she boom she's above her mother and she

1712
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:44,799
says oh there's mom and as soon as she

1713
00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:46,079
said that her mother realized something

1714
00:56:49,109 --> 00:56:47,680
was going wrong she goes running back to

1715
00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:49,119
the house 10 minute run back to the

1716
00:56:53,349 --> 00:56:51,119
house and then she goes she sees this

1717
00:56:55,589 --> 00:56:53,359
dog and she goes oh

1718
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:55,599
a dog and she loves dogs she said

1719
00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:57,520
instantaneously she was with the dog and

1720
00:57:00,470 --> 00:56:59,280
then she looked at the park and she goes

1721
00:57:02,230 --> 00:57:00,480
oh look at the parking she was

1722
00:57:03,589 --> 00:57:02,240
instantaneously at the park and then she

1723
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:03,599
saw a tree and she said i was

1724
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:05,040
instantaneously at the tree remember

1725
00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:07,680
this is a phd in oceanography and she's

1726
00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:09,599
describing exactly what the people on

1727
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:11,359
board the ship are saying you think of

1728
00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:13,440
something it's instantaneously you are

1729
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:15,440
actually there the same as utter body

1730
00:57:19,349 --> 00:57:17,760
experience people will describe exactly

1731
00:57:20,190 --> 00:57:19,359
what people on board the ship will

1732
00:57:23,030 --> 00:57:20,200
describe

1733
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:23,040
360 degree vision you never hear about

1734
00:57:26,710 --> 00:57:24,880
that and you hear it and when i saw that

1735
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:26,720
i went they're talking the same thing

1736
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:28,559
this has all got to be linked it's all

1737
00:57:33,990 --> 00:57:31,200
got to be the same thing or for example

1738
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:34,000
ron johnson so ron johnson

1739
00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:35,200
and you've got to interview this guy if

1740
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:37,440
you've ever never into him ron johnson

1741
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:40,000
um had being his name his being's name

1742
00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:42,720
was elby and lb takes him to the spirit

1743
00:57:46,390 --> 00:57:44,880
world three times in the third time

1744
00:57:48,069 --> 00:57:46,400
second time he's first time it's sort of

1745
00:57:49,589 --> 00:57:48,079
a um um

1746
00:57:50,950 --> 00:57:49,599
evan alexander thing it's sort of he's

1747
00:57:52,470 --> 00:57:50,960
in the mud he can't you know it's just

1748
00:57:54,470 --> 00:57:52,480
sort of darkness or whatever the second

1749
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:54,480
time he's in the spirit world with his

1750
00:57:57,109 --> 00:57:55,680
mother but he can't see his mother the

1751
00:57:58,470 --> 00:57:57,119
third time he's with his mother she's uh

1752
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:58,480
he's actually walking around the spirit

1753
00:58:01,910 --> 00:58:00,000
world and he's a

1754
00:58:03,349 --> 00:58:01,920
latter-day saint guy and he said she

1755
00:58:06,789 --> 00:58:03,359
takes me to this building it looks like

1756
00:58:08,150 --> 00:58:06,799
a temple in nephi utah and and he she

1757
00:58:10,789 --> 00:58:08,160
said ron when you come you're going to

1758
00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:10,799
get a room in in this building and and

1759
00:58:15,750 --> 00:58:13,680
he he says i go into the building and he

1760
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:15,760
says you know what it was like 10 to 100

1761
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:17,280
times the size in the building as it was

1762
00:58:20,309 --> 00:58:18,960
outside the building i said hey that's

1763
00:58:21,910 --> 00:58:20,319
exactly what chris bledsoe said about

1764
00:58:23,589 --> 00:58:21,920
being inside the craft that's exactly

1765
00:58:25,109 --> 00:58:23,599
what hell put off talks about that's

1766
00:58:26,789 --> 00:58:25,119
exactly what

1767
00:58:28,069 --> 00:58:26,799
terry lovely said terry lovely i said

1768
00:58:29,349 --> 00:58:28,079
was an ordinary side craft he went

1769
00:58:31,750 --> 00:58:29,359
inside it was the size of a football

1770
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:31,760
stadium inside that's exactly the same

1771
00:58:35,589 --> 00:58:33,440
story he's in the spirit world that

1772
00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:35,599
guy's in a ufo and you start wondering

1773
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:36,960
this has all got to be the same thing

1774
00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:38,640
they're in this same sort of thing where

1775
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:40,960
this time and space and everything is is

1776
00:58:44,870 --> 00:58:42,720
bizarre where you're creating this this

1777
00:58:46,710 --> 00:58:44,880
sort of world that you're in and that's

1778
00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:46,720
where i see these crossovers that when

1779
00:58:50,309 --> 00:58:48,720
you start looking at the data

1780
00:58:52,870 --> 00:58:50,319
between out about experience near death

1781
00:58:55,349 --> 00:58:52,880
experience uh ufo abduction you start

1782
00:58:56,549 --> 00:58:55,359
seeing these parallels that are not

1783
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:56,559
coincidence there's no way they're

1784
00:59:01,990 --> 00:58:59,520
coincidence you you see this um

1785
00:59:02,870 --> 00:59:02,000
sort of stuff or the the idea where 80

1786
00:59:05,910 --> 00:59:02,880
of all

1787
00:59:07,829 --> 00:59:05,920
um you know people who have um

1788
00:59:09,430 --> 00:59:07,839
uh been abducted say they've had

1789
00:59:11,349 --> 00:59:09,440
out-of-body experiences then i remember

1790
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:11,359
i asked yvonne smith one time how many

1791
00:59:14,789 --> 00:59:13,200
how many people who uh her abductee

1792
00:59:17,349 --> 00:59:14,799
people have had paranormal experiences

1793
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:17,359
happen she starts laughing she goes like

1794
00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:18,720
99

1795
00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:19,680
it's like

1796
00:59:24,390 --> 00:59:21,440
totally common and we want to change it

1797
00:59:25,589 --> 00:59:24,400
because our our ego is is is want to be

1798
00:59:27,510 --> 00:59:25,599
the center of attention so it's got to

1799
00:59:29,109 --> 00:59:27,520
be the fear so we turn it into fear so

1800
00:59:30,950 --> 00:59:29,119
what do we do we say oh the hitchhiker

1801
00:59:32,549 --> 00:59:30,960
uh the skinwalker ranch it followed

1802
00:59:34,230 --> 00:59:32,559
these people home and stuff and it's

1803
00:59:35,910 --> 00:59:34,240
like ron johnson ron johnson tells the

1804
00:59:37,510 --> 00:59:35,920
story it's like and we all knew this

1805
00:59:39,190 --> 00:59:37,520
everybody in paranormal knows this

1806
00:59:40,870 --> 00:59:39,200
hitchhiker happens all across the

1807
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:40,880
paranormal phenomenon it's not just ufos

1808
00:59:44,710 --> 00:59:42,480
so ron johnson has this thing where he

1809
00:59:46,549 --> 00:59:44,720
says i go to this graveyard and to this

1810
00:59:47,910 --> 00:59:46,559
bolt in this graveyard and i set up the

1811
00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:47,920
camera outside the vault and i go bang

1812
00:59:51,589 --> 00:59:49,520
on the vault and i say come on take a

1813
00:59:53,750 --> 00:59:51,599
picture and he says this thing comes out

1814
00:59:55,349 --> 00:59:53,760
of the ball and he gets and he gets it

1815
00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:55,359
on film thing comes out of the vault he

1816
00:59:58,710 --> 00:59:57,280
said took him five years to get rid of

1817
01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:58,720
the thing thing followed him around to

1818
01:00:03,430 --> 01:00:00,960
three different houses for five years

1819
01:00:05,589 --> 01:00:03,440
that's skin rock that's the the whole uh

1820
01:00:07,030 --> 01:00:05,599
you know uh hitchhiker thing it's a it's

1821
01:00:08,549 --> 01:00:07,040
a phenomenon it's part of the ufo

1822
01:00:10,630 --> 01:00:08,559
phenomenon it's part of all different

1823
01:00:12,470 --> 01:00:10,640
paranormal phenomena and we want to turn

1824
01:00:14,789 --> 01:00:12,480
it into the evil thing the evil thing

1825
01:00:17,270 --> 01:00:14,799
and you do influence so i'll say that if

1826
01:00:18,870 --> 01:00:17,280
you go into skinwalker ranch because bob

1827
01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:18,880
bigelow talked about skin rocker ranch

1828
01:00:22,150 --> 01:00:20,799
and he said there really was no injuries

1829
01:00:23,829 --> 01:00:22,160
there was really nothing but we

1830
01:00:26,150 --> 01:00:23,839
respected the phenomenon but when you

1831
01:00:28,710 --> 01:00:26,160
had these special forces guys who were

1832
01:00:30,789 --> 01:00:28,720
armed who are going to try to capture

1833
01:00:32,950 --> 01:00:30,799
the thing they go in there those are the

1834
01:00:34,710 --> 01:00:32,960
guys that went back and had that real

1835
01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:34,720
brutal stuff with the with the

1836
01:00:38,549 --> 01:00:36,960
hitchhiker stuff where the kid has the

1837
01:00:39,910 --> 01:00:38,559
orbs bombarding him in the room and

1838
01:00:42,309 --> 01:00:39,920
stuff like that

1839
01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:42,319
and you you manifest what happens around

1840
01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:45,599
you and uh so the the the even the guy

1841
01:00:49,829 --> 01:00:47,760
that owns skinwalker ranch now says he

1842
01:00:51,990 --> 01:00:49,839
calls it a reflective phenomena

1843
01:00:53,990 --> 01:00:52,000
and george knapp said those that were

1844
01:00:56,789 --> 01:00:54,000
the most aggressive to the phenomenon

1845
01:00:57,829 --> 01:00:56,799
had the worst experiences and and and

1846
01:00:59,910 --> 01:00:57,839
and and

1847
01:01:01,829 --> 01:00:59,920
and the guy on skinwalker ranch now says

1848
01:01:04,069 --> 01:01:01,839
there's a reflective phenomena so when

1849
01:01:07,270 --> 01:01:04,079
he goes on the ranch when they're coming

1850
01:01:09,510 --> 01:01:07,280
in with the helicopter he says they pray

1851
01:01:11,510 --> 01:01:09,520
they know there's a reflective aspect

1852
01:01:12,950 --> 01:01:11,520
that you go in there with a bad attitude

1853
01:01:14,789 --> 01:01:12,960
get ready and so that's this whole thing

1854
01:01:15,910 --> 01:01:14,799
we're forgetting about is that we are

1855
01:01:17,270 --> 01:01:15,920
part of the phenomena that we're

1856
01:01:19,030 --> 01:01:17,280
manifesting we won't always separate it

1857
01:01:21,430 --> 01:01:19,040
we say there's evil aliens out there and

1858
01:01:23,750 --> 01:01:21,440
they're they're picking on us and uh you

1859
01:01:26,069 --> 01:01:23,760
know it's the idea is we it's all goes

1860
01:01:27,589 --> 01:01:26,079
to higher self it's all ourselves in

1861
01:01:29,750 --> 01:01:27,599
this whole thing we keep wanting to

1862
01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:29,760
separate ourselves put ourselves as left

1863
01:01:34,150 --> 01:01:31,440
brain victims and there's this thing

1864
01:01:36,390 --> 01:01:34,160
that's influencing us and and and

1865
01:01:38,630 --> 01:01:36,400
anybody that i think knows the phenomena

1866
01:01:40,069 --> 01:01:38,640
knows that if you protect yourself if

1867
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:40,079
you go in with the right attitude you

1868
01:01:43,030 --> 01:01:41,599
don't have any problems with hitchhikers

1869
01:01:44,789 --> 01:01:43,040
you don't have any of this this kind of

1870
01:01:46,789 --> 01:01:44,799
stuff the whole phenomena changes you

1871
01:01:48,150 --> 01:01:46,799
are part of the phenomena

1872
01:01:50,789 --> 01:01:48,160
yeah um

1873
01:01:52,870 --> 01:01:50,799
anjali says that uh in her experience

1874
01:01:54,870 --> 01:01:52,880
that there they told her there was a

1875
01:01:56,390 --> 01:01:54,880
council there were some that were very

1876
01:01:59,430 --> 01:01:56,400
friendly toward us

1877
01:02:01,589 --> 01:01:59,440
and uh paternal in in some way some were

1878
01:02:02,630 --> 01:02:01,599
indifferent to us and some were negative

1879
01:02:05,270 --> 01:02:02,640
toward us

1880
01:02:07,670 --> 01:02:05,280
and so i don't know i mean i i haven't

1881
01:02:09,109 --> 01:02:07,680
had any of these encounters but yeah i i

1882
01:02:11,029 --> 01:02:09,119
can comment that that is one of the

1883
01:02:12,069 --> 01:02:11,039
things again that comes down to is that

1884
01:02:13,990 --> 01:02:12,079
is that

1885
01:02:15,670 --> 01:02:14,000
an influence of ego

1886
01:02:17,190 --> 01:02:15,680
going in there because the one thing the

1887
01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:17,200
one channeler i'd say is one of the best

1888
01:02:22,150 --> 01:02:19,440
channelers i've seen is paul selleck

1889
01:02:23,670 --> 01:02:22,160
who's channeled 10 books and there are

1890
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:23,680
no changes in the books they don't

1891
01:02:27,990 --> 01:02:26,400
change in the words exactly and and you

1892
01:02:29,670 --> 01:02:28,000
know channeling from and i would say

1893
01:02:31,109 --> 01:02:29,680
everybody's channeling like you and i i

1894
01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:31,119
always say to people like

1895
01:02:33,829 --> 01:02:32,160
where do you think the words are coming

1896
01:02:35,349 --> 01:02:33,839
from they're coming out of your mouth

1897
01:02:37,190 --> 01:02:35,359
yeah do you think you actually think

1898
01:02:38,789 --> 01:02:37,200
there's neurons running around and i

1899
01:02:39,910 --> 01:02:38,799
could talk very very fast do you think

1900
01:02:41,109 --> 01:02:39,920
there's neurons i'll be running around

1901
01:02:42,309 --> 01:02:41,119
and say okay what word they're gonna put

1902
01:02:43,829 --> 01:02:42,319
in the sense next okay let's put this

1903
01:02:45,109 --> 01:02:43,839
word in and then somebody's doing the

1904
01:02:46,470 --> 01:02:45,119
grammar and somebody's moving the hands

1905
01:02:48,950 --> 01:02:46,480
and it's like come on give your head a

1906
01:02:50,470 --> 01:02:48,960
shake this is channeling so paul selleck

1907
01:02:51,510 --> 01:02:50,480
channels and the way he describes it i

1908
01:02:53,430 --> 01:02:51,520
think is

1909
01:02:55,190 --> 01:02:53,440
this whole oneness thing

1910
01:02:56,789 --> 01:02:55,200
is it is it separation is there

1911
01:02:58,870 --> 01:02:56,799
separation is there

1912
01:03:01,190 --> 01:02:58,880
good and bad and stuff like that in a

1913
01:03:03,109 --> 01:03:01,200
reincarnation world it's all experience

1914
01:03:05,029 --> 01:03:03,119
the things that happen to you you plan

1915
01:03:06,470 --> 01:03:05,039
if you have a near-death experience or

1916
01:03:07,910 --> 01:03:06,480
if you have if you have psychic says

1917
01:03:09,510 --> 01:03:07,920
you're gonna be an accident tomorrow and

1918
01:03:12,150 --> 01:03:09,520
you have an accident tomorrow is that

1919
01:03:13,990 --> 01:03:12,160
actually random or was that planned and

1920
01:03:15,109 --> 01:03:14,000
we and the whole idea with near-death

1921
01:03:17,270 --> 01:03:15,119
experiences

1922
01:03:20,069 --> 01:03:17,280
with the abduction experience what's the

1923
01:03:21,510 --> 01:03:20,079
chances that 37 of all abductees have

1924
01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:21,520
near-health experiences do you think

1925
01:03:25,190 --> 01:03:23,760
that's by chance or do you think that's

1926
01:03:27,750 --> 01:03:25,200
they actually plan to have a near-death

1927
01:03:30,470 --> 01:03:27,760
experience to learn something or the the

1928
01:03:31,910 --> 01:03:30,480
the

1929
01:03:33,670 --> 01:03:31,920
decided to be abducted to learn

1930
01:03:35,430 --> 01:03:33,680
something and that it's experienced it's

1931
01:03:36,710 --> 01:03:35,440
all experience and you learn mostly from

1932
01:03:38,710 --> 01:03:36,720
the from the bad stuff you don't learn

1933
01:03:40,309 --> 01:03:38,720
from the good stuff so paul selleck the

1934
01:03:42,470 --> 01:03:40,319
way paul selick describes this is

1935
01:03:45,190 --> 01:03:42,480
oneness principle which i adhere to and

1936
01:03:48,069 --> 01:03:45,200
that he says it's all divine it all

1937
01:03:50,630 --> 01:03:48,079
comes from source and when you decide

1938
01:03:52,789 --> 01:03:50,640
that i am divine and this is not divine

1939
01:03:55,589 --> 01:03:52,799
when you take something and put it into

1940
01:03:58,390 --> 01:03:55,599
darkness that something that you take

1941
01:04:00,549 --> 01:03:58,400
will take you into the darkness with it

1942
01:04:03,349 --> 01:04:00,559
if you claim that you are divine and

1943
01:04:05,670 --> 01:04:03,359
this or that is not divine that is the

1944
01:04:08,630 --> 01:04:05,680
shadow pretending to be the light it's

1945
01:04:11,029 --> 01:04:08,640
all divine what you damn damns you back

1946
01:04:12,390 --> 01:04:11,039
what you bless blesses you in return and

1947
01:04:14,069 --> 01:04:12,400
that's this whole idea how can you

1948
01:04:16,309 --> 01:04:14,079
separate something from the divine it's

1949
01:04:17,750 --> 01:04:16,319
all divine it's all there for a reason

1950
01:04:19,990 --> 01:04:17,760
it's all there for for a learning

1951
01:04:22,390 --> 01:04:20,000
purpose and whatever the the bad thing

1952
01:04:24,230 --> 01:04:22,400
that happens we realize that we we learn

1953
01:04:26,230 --> 01:04:24,240
from this it's all experience that you

1954
01:04:28,150 --> 01:04:26,240
you if you've died a thousand times if

1955
01:04:29,589 --> 01:04:28,160
reincarnation is fact and you've died a

1956
01:04:31,270 --> 01:04:29,599
thousand times you've planned to die a

1957
01:04:32,789 --> 01:04:31,280
thousand times and it ain't gonna be

1958
01:04:34,870 --> 01:04:32,799
pretty usually it's not pretty when you

1959
01:04:36,870 --> 01:04:34,880
die so you plan to do this and you plan

1960
01:04:39,430 --> 01:04:36,880
to commit go in early or come out late

1961
01:04:40,950 --> 01:04:39,440
or whatever it is and we we always want

1962
01:04:42,549 --> 01:04:40,960
to do this separation thing that we are

1963
01:04:44,630 --> 01:04:42,559
sort of a victim

1964
01:04:47,270 --> 01:04:44,640
to outside forces that god's picking on

1965
01:04:49,750 --> 01:04:47,280
us and and uh we're unfortunate uh you

1966
01:04:51,349 --> 01:04:49,760
know and it's the referee is

1967
01:04:53,190 --> 01:04:51,359
almost like a game we've turned it into

1968
01:04:54,870 --> 01:04:53,200
like a football game the the the ends

1969
01:04:57,750 --> 01:04:54,880
justifies the means it's all about

1970
01:05:00,150 --> 01:04:57,760
winning and uh the refs against us and

1971
01:05:01,750 --> 01:05:00,160
all this kind of stuff and we our ego

1972
01:05:03,349 --> 01:05:01,760
feels good when we can overcome and

1973
01:05:04,789 --> 01:05:03,359
stuff like that but i i would say the

1974
01:05:06,710 --> 01:05:04,799
reincarnation world which is what they

1975
01:05:08,390 --> 01:05:06,720
told me if it's one world that's one

1976
01:05:10,069 --> 01:05:08,400
that's one world and it has certain

1977
01:05:12,710 --> 01:05:10,079
rules but if it's reincarnation and it's

1978
01:05:15,029 --> 01:05:12,720
true if it's reincarnation

1979
01:05:16,789 --> 01:05:15,039
then it's all learning it's all

1980
01:05:18,470 --> 01:05:16,799
we're going to plan to have failures

1981
01:05:21,349 --> 01:05:18,480
we're going to plan to have accidents to

1982
01:05:23,109 --> 01:05:21,359
learn things and and and a lot of the

1983
01:05:24,549 --> 01:05:23,119
people even in the abduction experience

1984
01:05:26,309 --> 01:05:24,559
people will say oh the abduction

1985
01:05:28,230 --> 01:05:26,319
experience is terrible i mean i'm a

1986
01:05:30,789 --> 01:05:28,240
victim that's what jim semivan said i

1987
01:05:32,630 --> 01:05:30,799
was really angry i didn't ask to have

1988
01:05:35,349 --> 01:05:32,640
this happen well you don't think you

1989
01:05:37,750 --> 01:05:35,359
asked to have it happen but if you do

1990
01:05:39,190 --> 01:05:37,760
you remember what had you on your third

1991
01:05:40,390 --> 01:05:39,200
third birthday party what you had for

1992
01:05:42,309 --> 01:05:40,400
dinner i mean you don't remember any of

1993
01:05:44,710 --> 01:05:42,319
that you oh no actually i don't i don't

1994
01:05:46,950 --> 01:05:44,720
i'm sorry i thought i did i'm sorry

1995
01:05:49,109 --> 01:05:46,960
no i'm so so you have this this idea

1996
01:05:51,910 --> 01:05:49,119
that that that we we

1997
01:05:53,349 --> 01:05:51,920
turned it into sort of a victim thing

1998
01:05:54,950 --> 01:05:53,359
and you have two people with the same

1999
01:05:55,910 --> 01:05:54,960
experiences so jim said me van has

2000
01:05:57,990 --> 01:05:55,920
experience with the beings are in the

2001
01:05:59,829 --> 01:05:58,000
room with his wife and he's angry about

2002
01:06:00,870 --> 01:05:59,839
it he feels that he didn't agree to this

2003
01:06:02,630 --> 01:06:00,880
and i said well do you think chris

2004
01:06:04,549 --> 01:06:02,640
bledsoe consciously agreed to what he

2005
01:06:06,309 --> 01:06:04,559
went through chris bledsoe sat there for

2006
01:06:07,829 --> 01:06:06,319
nine months and basically prayed to god

2007
01:06:09,589 --> 01:06:07,839
to take him out of the world he couldn't

2008
01:06:11,109 --> 01:06:09,599
believe it his whole world had come

2009
01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:11,119
apart he was not allowed to talk to his

2010
01:06:16,069 --> 01:06:13,440
kids his he was on a verge of divorce he

2011
01:06:18,309 --> 01:06:16,079
got locked up in a crazy house to see if

2012
01:06:20,789 --> 01:06:18,319
he was insane and now suddenly he has

2013
01:06:22,710 --> 01:06:20,799
the regression where suddenly they he

2014
01:06:24,630 --> 01:06:22,720
gets asked in the regression when did

2015
01:06:27,670 --> 01:06:24,640
you first meet them and he says they

2016
01:06:30,549 --> 01:06:27,680
were with me before i was born and and

2017
01:06:32,230 --> 01:06:30,559
and o'connell o'connor the guy who was

2018
01:06:34,069 --> 01:06:32,240
john max associate at harvard who was

2019
01:06:36,390 --> 01:06:34,079
doing the regression said what do you

2020
01:06:38,150 --> 01:06:36,400
mean where you were what do you mean

2021
01:06:40,390 --> 01:06:38,160
before you were born where you were you

2022
01:06:43,029 --> 01:06:40,400
with them in your last lifetime and he

2023
01:06:44,950 --> 01:06:43,039
said yes and that's the whole thing if

2024
01:06:46,870 --> 01:06:44,960
that's true if john if that regression

2025
01:06:49,430 --> 01:06:46,880
is true and a lot of experiences will

2026
01:06:51,349 --> 01:06:49,440
say this they'll say i agreed to this or

2027
01:06:52,710 --> 01:06:51,359
i asked mary rodwell i said mary this

2028
01:06:54,470 --> 01:06:52,720
whole soul contract thing what do you

2029
01:06:56,230 --> 01:06:54,480
think about the soul contract thing that

2030
01:06:57,990 --> 01:06:56,240
experiences agree to play this role

2031
01:06:59,190 --> 01:06:58,000
they're coming in to raise consciousness

2032
01:07:03,190 --> 01:06:59,200
or

2033
01:07:04,870 --> 01:07:03,200
volunteered to come in the atomic bomb

2034
01:07:06,630 --> 01:07:04,880
goes off and we all volunteered here to

2035
01:07:08,230 --> 01:07:06,640
come in to raise consciousness to save

2036
01:07:09,190 --> 01:07:08,240
the earth and we're all volunteers on

2037
01:07:11,670 --> 01:07:09,200
this whole thing what do you think about

2038
01:07:14,390 --> 01:07:11,680
that and mary rodwell says like 100 will

2039
01:07:15,510 --> 01:07:14,400
agree and i asked kathy martin i said

2040
01:07:17,589 --> 01:07:15,520
kathy what do you think about the soul

2041
01:07:19,349 --> 01:07:17,599
contract thing and kathy said i always

2042
01:07:21,510 --> 01:07:19,359
wondered about it too she said you know

2043
01:07:22,950 --> 01:07:21,520
what i did i actually had myself

2044
01:07:25,510 --> 01:07:22,960
regressed and i heard the words coming

2045
01:07:26,710 --> 01:07:25,520
my mouth i agreed to this that is the

2046
01:07:28,309 --> 01:07:26,720
whole thing about taking personal

2047
01:07:29,750 --> 01:07:28,319
responsibility whether it's right or

2048
01:07:31,109 --> 01:07:29,760
wrong that you agreed to all these

2049
01:07:32,950 --> 01:07:31,119
things in life you take personal

2050
01:07:34,710 --> 01:07:32,960
responsibility because as long as you

2051
01:07:36,150 --> 01:07:34,720
see yourself as a victim you are not

2052
01:07:37,430 --> 01:07:36,160
going to grow you're just going to feel

2053
01:07:39,829 --> 01:07:37,440
sorry for yourself and you're just going

2054
01:07:41,109 --> 01:07:39,839
to recycle and recycle and and take it

2055
01:07:43,990 --> 01:07:41,119
out on other people and blame other

2056
01:07:45,670 --> 01:07:44,000
people and this is whole idea if

2057
01:07:47,670 --> 01:07:45,680
and you get i think 25 of all

2058
01:07:49,589 --> 01:07:47,680
experiences say they remember being in

2059
01:07:50,870 --> 01:07:49,599
their past lifetime john mack has one

2060
01:07:53,109 --> 01:07:50,880
when did you first meet the guy oh he

2061
01:07:55,670 --> 01:07:53,119
was with me in my last lifetime if the

2062
01:07:57,510 --> 01:07:55,680
being was with him in his last lifetime

2063
01:07:59,270 --> 01:07:57,520
that is a different world or when you

2064
01:08:01,670 --> 01:07:59,280
have the people on board the craft and

2065
01:08:03,430 --> 01:08:01,680
i'm not 100 sure on this yet

2066
01:08:05,589 --> 01:08:03,440
everybody that goes on the craft will

2067
01:08:06,950 --> 01:08:05,599
tell the story like for example the 747

2068
01:08:08,710 --> 01:08:06,960
airline pilot the

2069
01:08:10,150 --> 01:08:08,720
air force guy they both said the same

2070
01:08:12,309 --> 01:08:10,160
thing they're on the craft and there's

2071
01:08:15,270 --> 01:08:12,319
somebody behind them they don't know if

2072
01:08:16,950 --> 01:08:15,280
it's human beings or or or aliens they

2073
01:08:19,749 --> 01:08:16,960
don't know what it is and the voice like

2074
01:08:21,749 --> 01:08:19,759
the the 747 or the the i'll give you the

2075
01:08:23,430 --> 01:08:21,759
the air force guy so the air force guy

2076
01:08:25,030 --> 01:08:23,440
he says they say to him

2077
01:08:26,709 --> 01:08:25,040
okay go ahead and do it he just hears

2078
01:08:28,470 --> 01:08:26,719
this voice behind him

2079
01:08:30,789 --> 01:08:28,480
now if you go to michael newton and you

2080
01:08:33,669 --> 01:08:30,799
look at the life review

2081
01:08:36,070 --> 01:08:33,679
the soul guide is always behind the

2082
01:08:37,590 --> 01:08:36,080
person on the left side always and

2083
01:08:39,030 --> 01:08:37,600
that's the thing so when he says that

2084
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:39,040
i'm going i wonder if that's his soul

2085
01:08:42,390 --> 01:08:40,880
guide he doesn't know what it is and

2086
01:08:45,349 --> 01:08:42,400
he's and he says go ahead and do it and

2087
01:08:47,829 --> 01:08:45,359
the and this david guy says i don't know

2088
01:08:50,470 --> 01:08:47,839
what to do and he says you know what to

2089
01:08:52,870 --> 01:08:50,480
do just do it so he goes there's this

2090
01:08:54,789 --> 01:08:52,880
panel on the wall and this

2091
01:08:57,189 --> 01:08:54,799
air force colonel puts his hand on the

2092
01:08:58,709 --> 01:08:57,199
panel and he said suddenly he says boom

2093
01:09:00,309 --> 01:08:58,719
it's like i'm flying the craft and he

2094
01:09:02,149 --> 01:09:00,319
said i couldn't believe it he said i'm

2095
01:09:03,669 --> 01:09:02,159
flying the craft and he's doing whatever

2096
01:09:05,669 --> 01:09:03,679
i wanted to do and so he said take one

2097
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:05,679
hand off the panel and he's waiting for

2098
01:09:09,749 --> 01:09:07,920
it to stall and it doesn't stall and

2099
01:09:11,189 --> 01:09:09,759
then he's then he takes the other hand

2100
01:09:12,470 --> 01:09:11,199
off the penalty but it's six inches

2101
01:09:14,630 --> 01:09:12,480
above because he wants to slam his

2102
01:09:15,910 --> 01:09:14,640
handbag down if the craft stalls and

2103
01:09:17,749 --> 01:09:15,920
then he's got his both hands off the

2104
01:09:19,430 --> 01:09:17,759
panel and he's flying the craft and he's

2105
01:09:20,630 --> 01:09:19,440
going this is the most bizarre thing

2106
01:09:22,229 --> 01:09:20,640
i've ever seen in my life and he's

2107
01:09:24,789 --> 01:09:22,239
flying this thing but that's the whole

2108
01:09:26,309 --> 01:09:24,799
thing is this whole idea that that it

2109
01:09:27,669 --> 01:09:26,319
may be soul contract you start seeing

2110
01:09:29,269 --> 01:09:27,679
these things and you wonder is the

2111
01:09:30,870 --> 01:09:29,279
person interpreting

2112
01:09:32,630 --> 01:09:30,880
he's making a vision of what it is but

2113
01:09:35,590 --> 01:09:32,640
it may be soul guy because one of the i

2114
01:09:37,910 --> 01:09:35,600
had a guy who i was submarine guy i

2115
01:09:40,789 --> 01:09:37,920
haven't talked to him yet but a guy usf

2116
01:09:42,870 --> 01:09:40,799
us navy submarine guy said i had this

2117
01:09:45,110 --> 01:09:42,880
that went through this whole thing and i

2118
01:09:47,430 --> 01:09:45,120
was told to see my spirit guide and i

2119
01:09:49,030 --> 01:09:47,440
saw a grey alien and i go wow that's

2120
01:09:51,749 --> 01:09:49,040
that's pretty cool that's this whole

2121
01:09:53,990 --> 01:09:51,759
idea is what's actually going on do is

2122
01:09:56,149 --> 01:09:54,000
it actually are we building this world

2123
01:09:57,910 --> 01:09:56,159
to learn a lesson that they're taking us

2124
01:10:00,149 --> 01:09:57,920
on this this craft thing and the craft

2125
01:10:02,149 --> 01:10:00,159
really may not exist except in our mind

2126
01:10:04,390 --> 01:10:02,159
because one guy actually told me he said

2127
01:10:06,310 --> 01:10:04,400
um he said i actually they said get your

2128
01:10:08,390 --> 01:10:06,320
own craft so he said in my mind i built

2129
01:10:09,750 --> 01:10:08,400
a craft a conscious craft and i made a

2130
01:10:11,189 --> 01:10:09,760
certain size and i was traveling to

2131
01:10:13,350 --> 01:10:11,199
different galaxies and you gotta

2132
01:10:15,590 --> 01:10:13,360
remember these are stories that that uh

2133
01:10:17,270 --> 01:10:15,600
jacques valet will call absurd these are

2134
01:10:18,390 --> 01:10:17,280
not stories if you want to make up a

2135
01:10:20,390 --> 01:10:18,400
story

2136
01:10:21,669 --> 01:10:20,400
and and try to fool me with it you're

2137
01:10:23,510 --> 01:10:21,679
not going to bring up i flew the craft

2138
01:10:24,870 --> 01:10:23,520
from my mind i mean that

2139
01:10:26,149 --> 01:10:24,880
people are going to buy that or i knew

2140
01:10:27,510 --> 01:10:26,159
everything in the universe because i

2141
01:10:28,709 --> 01:10:27,520
would ask people i'd say

2142
01:10:30,790 --> 01:10:28,719
you know everything in the universe are

2143
01:10:32,390 --> 01:10:30,800
you sure yeah and i said well how do you

2144
01:10:33,750 --> 01:10:32,400
know there wasn't something number 678

2145
01:10:35,270 --> 01:10:33,760
on the far side of the universe they

2146
01:10:37,669 --> 01:10:35,280
forgot to tell you about and the people

2147
01:10:40,870 --> 01:10:37,679
will say exactly what i said in my flow

2148
01:10:42,470 --> 01:10:40,880
state i'm not sure i just know it's like

2149
01:10:44,790 --> 01:10:42,480
the flow state comes with absolute

2150
01:10:45,910 --> 01:10:44,800
uncertainty you know nobody has to tell

2151
01:10:47,510 --> 01:10:45,920
you nobody's gonna you're not gonna

2152
01:10:49,750 --> 01:10:47,520
argue with anybody i know this is this

2153
01:10:51,910 --> 01:10:49,760
is accurate information and so that's

2154
01:10:54,149 --> 01:10:51,920
the the the whole idea is this our

2155
01:10:55,990 --> 01:10:54,159
interaction with the thing and the fact

2156
01:10:58,229 --> 01:10:56,000
that it all is

2157
01:11:00,310 --> 01:10:58,239
as one quantum physicist it's all ooly

2158
01:11:01,750 --> 01:11:00,320
stuff it's all consciousness the the

2159
01:11:03,669 --> 01:11:01,760
basic bottom line that we're creating

2160
01:11:06,630 --> 01:11:03,679
the stuff out of consciousness it's all

2161
01:11:09,270 --> 01:11:06,640
dreamscape or even the people say um but

2162
01:11:10,470 --> 01:11:09,280
it is physical right i was abducted they

2163
01:11:11,830 --> 01:11:10,480
say i don't think it was abducted i

2164
01:11:14,070 --> 01:11:11,840
think i think it was they just the

2165
01:11:16,149 --> 01:11:14,080
aliens come to me in my dreams bashar if

2166
01:11:17,990 --> 01:11:16,159
you look at the channeler bashar bashar

2167
01:11:21,750 --> 01:11:18,000
says we come to you in your dreams

2168
01:11:23,430 --> 01:11:21,760
because now you're in our world

2169
01:11:25,030 --> 01:11:23,440
it is physical though i mean if you can

2170
01:11:27,830 --> 01:11:25,040
paint some of these things on radar it's

2171
01:11:29,669 --> 01:11:27,840
physical it it comes into the physical

2172
01:11:30,950 --> 01:11:29,679
world that's what they said to yoshi

2173
01:11:32,310 --> 01:11:30,960
ronan when we come into your physical

2174
01:11:34,149 --> 01:11:32,320
world we take on so they lower their

2175
01:11:36,630 --> 01:11:34,159
vibration that's like i did the whole

2176
01:11:38,550 --> 01:11:36,640
book on on the the portals the the

2177
01:11:40,790 --> 01:11:38,560
zendras if you followed the mission rama

2178
01:11:42,149 --> 01:11:40,800
stuff at mount shasta so i go there and

2179
01:11:45,270 --> 01:11:42,159
i interview the people who are in these

2180
01:11:47,430 --> 01:11:45,280
uh these uh these um these zendra things

2181
01:11:49,590 --> 01:11:47,440
and the way they describe it is that the

2182
01:11:51,910 --> 01:11:49,600
beings come in they lower their

2183
01:11:53,430 --> 01:11:51,920
vibration and what the mission rama

2184
01:11:54,630 --> 01:11:53,440
people and mission rama is so you're

2185
01:11:56,709 --> 01:11:54,640
into thinking about oh there's these

2186
01:11:58,790 --> 01:11:56,719
these aliens that are not good guys

2187
01:12:01,030 --> 01:11:58,800
there's these good guys and bad guys

2188
01:12:03,110 --> 01:12:01,040
no no i'm open to the possibility of no

2189
01:12:04,630 --> 01:12:03,120
no i'm saying this is a this is an idea

2190
01:12:05,990 --> 01:12:04,640
i'm not saying you this is an idea out

2191
01:12:08,229 --> 01:12:06,000
there that's very common that there's

2192
01:12:11,750 --> 01:12:08,239
these good and so what what you get with

2193
01:12:13,510 --> 01:12:11,760
mission rama is i say i defy

2194
01:12:14,709 --> 01:12:13,520
anybody mission around there's 25 000

2195
01:12:17,270 --> 01:12:14,719
these people around the world started in

2196
01:12:18,390 --> 01:12:17,280
1974 a lot of them are

2197
01:12:20,630 --> 01:12:18,400
you know

2198
01:12:22,470 --> 01:12:20,640
latino people and they are able to open

2199
01:12:24,070 --> 01:12:22,480
these zendras these portal things and

2200
01:12:25,830 --> 01:12:24,080
these beings appear in the portal or you

2201
01:12:28,470 --> 01:12:25,840
walk into the portal and you walk in

2202
01:12:29,590 --> 01:12:28,480
into this zendra and the 747 airline guy

2203
01:12:30,950 --> 01:12:29,600
was actually in one of these portals he

2204
01:12:32,870 --> 01:12:30,960
describes that whole story being in the

2205
01:12:34,470 --> 01:12:32,880
in this in his zendra you walk through

2206
01:12:36,550 --> 01:12:34,480
and as soon as you walk into the into

2207
01:12:38,310 --> 01:12:36,560
the zendra you're on another planet just

2208
01:12:39,990 --> 01:12:38,320
like walking through a doorway wow and

2209
01:12:41,750 --> 01:12:40,000
and and what they say is they lower

2210
01:12:43,270 --> 01:12:41,760
their vibration so they're every

2211
01:12:44,470 --> 01:12:43,280
everything is vibration there's all

2212
01:12:45,910 --> 01:12:44,480
consciousness and everybody's having

2213
01:12:47,669 --> 01:12:45,920
vibrations so the beings are here

2214
01:12:49,669 --> 01:12:47,679
everything's here around us if there's

2215
01:12:51,990 --> 01:12:49,679
no time and space it's all here so their

2216
01:12:53,590 --> 01:12:52,000
vibration what we do in psychedelics

2217
01:12:54,790 --> 01:12:53,600
anybody knows there's a psychedelics you

2218
01:12:56,470 --> 01:12:54,800
know when it's going to start the

2219
01:12:58,550 --> 01:12:56,480
vibration starts your vibration is

2220
01:13:00,550 --> 01:12:58,560
changing you feel your body vibrating

2221
01:13:02,950 --> 01:13:00,560
and boom you're suddenly in a different

2222
01:13:04,550 --> 01:13:02,960
environment kev's like i've been in some

2223
01:13:07,110 --> 01:13:04,560
psychedelics baby i know what he's

2224
01:13:09,750 --> 01:13:07,120
talking about yeah so all right grant we

2225
01:13:11,750 --> 01:13:09,760
have about 15 minutes left well kev we

2226
01:13:14,149 --> 01:13:11,760
have some experiences we want to share

2227
01:13:16,229 --> 01:13:14,159
with you and get your take on kevin has

2228
01:13:18,630 --> 01:13:16,239
one i have one that i don't even think

2229
01:13:20,470 --> 01:13:18,640
nathan's heard this one yet but i did

2230
01:13:21,910 --> 01:13:20,480
pose it to deb yesterday and she

2231
01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:21,920
forewarned me

2232
01:13:25,270 --> 01:13:23,760
so i'll see what you guys think but go

2233
01:13:27,110 --> 01:13:25,280
ahead kev

2234
01:13:29,110 --> 01:13:27,120
all right so as i said earlier you know

2235
01:13:31,189 --> 01:13:29,120
i teach kids on the spectrum so i've got

2236
01:13:34,070 --> 01:13:31,199
14 years experience teaching kids with

2237
01:13:35,510 --> 01:13:34,080
autism yeah so what i've done i started

2238
01:13:37,189 --> 01:13:35,520
i've started documenting some of the

2239
01:13:39,510 --> 01:13:37,199
strange phenomenon that i've seen over

2240
01:13:41,350 --> 01:13:39,520
the years some of the stuff that cannot

2241
01:13:42,950 --> 01:13:41,360
be explained and i wanted to to read one

2242
01:13:45,189 --> 01:13:42,960
of those to you okay so one of the

2243
01:13:46,470 --> 01:13:45,199
things we teach is a tacting lesson it's

2244
01:13:48,310 --> 01:13:46,480
commenting on the environment you know

2245
01:13:50,630 --> 01:13:48,320
we teach them to respond to what you see

2246
01:13:52,550 --> 01:13:50,640
what is it so um the particular student

2247
01:13:53,270 --> 01:13:52,560
he liked to smile and hum while looking

2248
01:13:55,510 --> 01:13:53,280
up

2249
01:13:57,189 --> 01:13:55,520
so uh one lesson once the lesson

2250
01:13:59,030 --> 01:13:57,199
progressed to a natural setting is

2251
01:14:00,390 --> 01:13:59,040
during lunch i asked him you know he's

2252
01:14:02,790 --> 01:14:00,400
looking i ask him what do you see up

2253
01:14:04,149 --> 01:14:02,800
there and he points to something i can't

2254
01:14:05,510 --> 01:14:04,159
see you know

2255
01:14:07,830 --> 01:14:05,520
he just points up

2256
01:14:10,149 --> 01:14:07,840
and he says white balls

2257
01:14:11,990 --> 01:14:10,159
right which i found very interesting so

2258
01:14:13,189 --> 01:14:12,000
um and he said it while giggling so over

2259
01:14:15,750 --> 01:14:13,199
the years you know he had a few other

2260
01:14:18,229 --> 01:14:15,760
responses it was like he'd say madness

2261
01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:18,239
or eventually it was friends and we'd

2262
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:20,640
just start saying hey during lunch time

2263
01:14:24,870 --> 01:14:22,560
are your friends back and be like yeah

2264
01:14:26,790 --> 01:14:24,880
yeah my friends white balls

2265
01:14:30,470 --> 01:14:26,800
that's just one of the phenomenons that

2266
01:14:31,910 --> 01:14:30,480
i'm i'm recording i'm documenting

2267
01:14:34,149 --> 01:14:31,920
what do you think about that

2268
01:14:36,550 --> 01:14:34,159
well i in my contact modalities i do a

2269
01:14:38,470 --> 01:14:36,560
whole chapter on um

2270
01:14:41,110 --> 01:14:38,480
that very phenomena

2271
01:14:43,350 --> 01:14:41,120
um especially when you talk at salons

2272
01:14:45,830 --> 01:14:43,360
so basically what you see is a lot of

2273
01:14:47,830 --> 01:14:45,840
left brain damage for example the the

2274
01:14:49,430 --> 01:14:47,840
one i always show is i say if you don't

2275
01:14:51,030 --> 01:14:49,440
think there's material out there that

2276
01:14:52,950 --> 01:14:51,040
people are seeing that they're able to

2277
01:14:55,270 --> 01:14:52,960
tap into watch this and the guy's name

2278
01:14:57,189 --> 01:14:55,280
and i'm going to forget his name

2279
01:14:59,990 --> 01:14:57,199
he's out in new york city he's now in

2280
01:15:01,270 --> 01:15:00,000
close to 80. uh george finn is the guy's

2281
01:15:03,030 --> 01:15:01,280
name he's on 60 minutes if you look it

2282
01:15:05,030 --> 01:15:03,040
up on 60 minutes you'll see this thing

2283
01:15:07,990 --> 01:15:05,040
so they say to him okay

2284
01:15:09,030 --> 01:15:08,000
uh george uh what's two plus three and

2285
01:15:10,870 --> 01:15:09,040
he goes

2286
01:15:11,830 --> 01:15:10,880
uh would that be uh

2287
01:15:13,910 --> 01:15:11,840
six

2288
01:15:14,790 --> 01:15:13,920
and the guy goes uh what's uh five times

2289
01:15:17,430 --> 01:15:14,800
seven

2290
01:15:19,990 --> 01:15:17,440
uh would that be uh 50

2291
01:15:21,310 --> 01:15:20,000
and then he goes okay so what day is

2292
01:15:23,750 --> 01:15:21,320
july the 11th

2293
01:15:27,430 --> 01:15:23,760
2047 and he goes oh that would be a

2294
01:15:30,070 --> 01:15:27,440
tuesday and he's right 100 of the time

2295
01:15:32,070 --> 01:15:30,080
and the thing is so left brain is simple

2296
01:15:33,669 --> 01:15:32,080
math he cannot do simple math so he's

2297
01:15:35,430 --> 01:15:33,679
not calculating this calendar

2298
01:15:38,550 --> 01:15:35,440
calculating thing and you see this with

2299
01:15:39,669 --> 01:15:38,560
savants and with autistic uh kids is

2300
01:15:41,510 --> 01:15:39,679
they're they're they're in this

2301
01:15:43,270 --> 01:15:41,520
different world if the brain has

2302
01:15:45,350 --> 01:15:43,280
part of the brain is shut down left

2303
01:15:47,110 --> 01:15:45,360
brain is shut down it's cut off the the

2304
01:15:48,709 --> 01:15:47,120
noise they're able to pick it up it's

2305
01:15:50,070 --> 01:15:48,719
all being picked up

2306
01:15:51,189 --> 01:15:50,080
and they're just in this different

2307
01:15:53,990 --> 01:15:51,199
frequency especially the left brain

2308
01:15:56,950 --> 01:15:54,000
damage a lot of autistic is is this left

2309
01:15:58,790 --> 01:15:56,960
brain damage thing or uh even with head

2310
01:16:00,149 --> 01:15:58,800
injuries you see these kind of things so

2311
01:16:02,550 --> 01:16:00,159
i say that's one of the most important

2312
01:16:05,990 --> 01:16:02,560
things you're studying is i tried to get

2313
01:16:07,830 --> 01:16:06,000
gaia actually to do a show on savants on

2314
01:16:10,070 --> 01:16:07,840
guys who you know play the piano have

2315
01:16:12,790 --> 01:16:10,080
never played piano before have 7 000

2316
01:16:14,550 --> 01:16:12,800
songs and and can do mathematics or uh

2317
01:16:17,030 --> 01:16:14,560
you know all this the bizarre things

2318
01:16:18,790 --> 01:16:17,040
they can do and they didn't

2319
01:16:20,229 --> 01:16:18,800
have a budget to travel they wanted

2320
01:16:21,590 --> 01:16:20,239
someone to stand in a studio and just

2321
01:16:23,990 --> 01:16:21,600
talk about it and i said that is the

2322
01:16:26,950 --> 01:16:24,000
most bizarre show you could ever run is

2323
01:16:29,430 --> 01:16:26,960
these people autistic and and and and

2324
01:16:31,750 --> 01:16:29,440
savant people this stuff that they they

2325
01:16:33,350 --> 01:16:31,760
exhibit there's no way you can explain

2326
01:16:34,870 --> 01:16:33,360
it with the present idea we have of the

2327
01:16:36,790 --> 01:16:34,880
universe extremely important stuff

2328
01:16:38,470 --> 01:16:36,800
you're doing there

2329
01:16:40,070 --> 01:16:38,480
thank you thank you uh thank you very

2330
01:16:41,110 --> 01:16:40,080
much for answering that nathan you had

2331
01:16:43,030 --> 01:16:41,120
something

2332
01:16:44,550 --> 01:16:43,040
yeah so grant um if i could get your

2333
01:16:46,229 --> 01:16:44,560
thoughts on this so

2334
01:16:48,790 --> 01:16:46,239
yeah you're obviously familiar with the

2335
01:16:50,070 --> 01:16:48,800
subject uh you know very intimately

2336
01:16:51,750 --> 01:16:50,080
but the

2337
01:16:53,590 --> 01:16:51,760
the way in which it's talked about in

2338
01:16:56,070 --> 01:16:53,600
kind of mainstream stream circles right

2339
01:16:58,070 --> 01:16:56,080
now is very much still from the nuts and

2340
01:17:00,070 --> 01:16:58,080
bolts component everything that you've

2341
01:17:02,310 --> 01:17:00,080
articulated on the show i think everyone

2342
01:17:03,910 --> 01:17:02,320
on our show is in pretty much agreement

2343
01:17:06,470 --> 01:17:03,920
with this is the direction that it needs

2344
01:17:08,149 --> 01:17:06,480
to go but how do you see this really

2345
01:17:11,189 --> 01:17:08,159
playing out from a

2346
01:17:13,030 --> 01:17:11,199
kind of a more public uh perspective you

2347
01:17:15,030 --> 01:17:13,040
know how do you see the world

2348
01:17:16,229 --> 01:17:15,040
being able to transition to this kind of

2349
01:17:17,590 --> 01:17:16,239
understanding because i'm of the a

2350
01:17:20,390 --> 01:17:17,600
conclusion that

2351
01:17:22,550 --> 01:17:20,400
if if the if the disclosure were so

2352
01:17:24,070 --> 01:17:22,560
simple that it was just ets from some

2353
01:17:26,229 --> 01:17:24,080
other star system we would have already

2354
01:17:27,590 --> 01:17:26,239
had that story by now but but i'm i'm

2355
01:17:29,910 --> 01:17:27,600
more in agreement with what you are

2356
01:17:31,189 --> 01:17:29,920
describing that the world that we know

2357
01:17:33,350 --> 01:17:31,199
and the way in which we know it is

2358
01:17:35,510 --> 01:17:33,360
different than what we all assume that's

2359
01:17:36,470 --> 01:17:35,520
a much harder thing i think to get the

2360
01:17:38,310 --> 01:17:36,480
public

2361
01:17:39,910 --> 01:17:38,320
on board with so what does that process

2362
01:17:42,470 --> 01:17:39,920
look like how do you think it really

2363
01:17:44,229 --> 01:17:42,480
will unfold to where we can get to this

2364
01:17:46,229 --> 01:17:44,239
place and have this kind of conversation

2365
01:17:48,390 --> 01:17:46,239
in a broader sense

2366
01:17:49,990 --> 01:17:48,400
i i think that's where the idea of

2367
01:17:51,430 --> 01:17:50,000
trying to convert people

2368
01:17:54,070 --> 01:17:51,440
i don't think is going to work is that

2369
01:17:54,950 --> 01:17:54,080
we want to try to convince everybody and

2370
01:17:57,430 --> 01:17:54,960
we're

2371
01:17:59,430 --> 01:17:57,440
forgetting that it's it's unlimited

2372
01:18:01,030 --> 01:17:59,440
universe it's endless we can take

2373
01:18:03,350 --> 01:18:01,040
forever to figure this thing out and

2374
01:18:04,870 --> 01:18:03,360
that things will flip very very quickly

2375
01:18:06,870 --> 01:18:04,880
uh when i had my consciousness

2376
01:18:07,990 --> 01:18:06,880
experience in 2012 i always make the

2377
01:18:09,830 --> 01:18:08,000
joke i could not have spelled

2378
01:18:11,990 --> 01:18:09,840
consciousness and i couldn't care less

2379
01:18:13,590 --> 01:18:12,000
and a lot of people were are still on

2380
01:18:15,030 --> 01:18:13,600
that thing there are people in the ufo

2381
01:18:15,910 --> 01:18:15,040
community who use the word consciousness

2382
01:18:17,669 --> 01:18:15,920
don't even know what they're talking

2383
01:18:19,110 --> 01:18:17,679
about they know it's a buzzword now you

2384
01:18:21,830 --> 01:18:19,120
could not talk about consciousness in

2385
01:18:23,830 --> 01:18:21,840
2012. and and you could not in academia

2386
01:18:24,870 --> 01:18:23,840
20 years ago you could not you would be

2387
01:18:27,030 --> 01:18:24,880
thrown out if you talked about

2388
01:18:28,470 --> 01:18:27,040
consciousness so it will eventually

2389
01:18:31,030 --> 01:18:28,480
change and i think it's changing very

2390
01:18:32,790 --> 01:18:31,040
fast in terms of the matrix movie it's

2391
01:18:34,229 --> 01:18:32,800
all happening indirectly it's happening

2392
01:18:35,910 --> 01:18:34,239
through the especially the idea of the

2393
01:18:38,070 --> 01:18:35,920
simulated universe if you talk to young

2394
01:18:39,669 --> 01:18:38,080
kids today and you say to them do you

2395
01:18:41,750 --> 01:18:39,679
believe there's a it's a video game it's

2396
01:18:43,350 --> 01:18:41,760
just like well of course it is i mean

2397
01:18:45,750 --> 01:18:43,360
it's a completely different world it's

2398
01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:45,760
almost like max planck said

2399
01:18:50,709 --> 01:18:48,400
a new idea does not come in by

2400
01:18:53,430 --> 01:18:50,719
convincing the opponent he's wrong it

2401
01:18:55,189 --> 01:18:53,440
comes in by those people dying and the

2402
01:18:57,669 --> 01:18:55,199
new generation is not offended with the

2403
01:18:58,950 --> 01:18:57,679
idea so and it will shift very fast i

2404
01:19:02,550 --> 01:18:58,960
remember

2405
01:19:04,149 --> 01:19:02,560
i i was doing the x conferences with

2406
01:19:05,750 --> 01:19:04,159
steve bass is a good friend of mine so

2407
01:19:07,430 --> 01:19:05,760
steve bassett he brought me in and he

2408
01:19:08,790 --> 01:19:07,440
and he had a panel at the end he said so

2409
01:19:10,310 --> 01:19:08,800
when he thinks disclosure's going to

2410
01:19:11,669 --> 01:19:10,320
come and you know he's always in there

2411
01:19:13,590 --> 01:19:11,679
we could need this right now we need the

2412
01:19:15,350 --> 01:19:13,600
gov president to say there's et's and

2413
01:19:17,030 --> 01:19:15,360
stuff and these people going six months

2414
01:19:18,830 --> 01:19:17,040
12 months and it comes to me and there's

2415
01:19:21,430 --> 01:19:18,840
a whole crowd there and i said

2416
01:19:22,950 --> 01:19:21,440
2042. and he looked at me like how did

2417
01:19:25,590 --> 01:19:22,960
you dare do this to me in front of all

2418
01:19:27,910 --> 01:19:25,600
these people and i never because i i've

2419
01:19:29,669 --> 01:19:27,920
done it so many years i said there's no

2420
01:19:32,070 --> 01:19:29,679
way there's ever going to be disclosure

2421
01:19:33,910 --> 01:19:32,080
not a chance but what happens is jim

2422
01:19:36,229 --> 01:19:33,920
semivan if you know the story it's in my

2423
01:19:37,270 --> 01:19:36,239
last podcast jim semivan tells the story

2424
01:19:38,790 --> 01:19:37,280
that he has this thing and he's all

2425
01:19:41,030 --> 01:19:38,800
upset about the subduction experience or

2426
01:19:43,030 --> 01:19:41,040
whatever and i said get this straight if

2427
01:19:44,470 --> 01:19:43,040
he had not been abducted

2428
01:19:46,229 --> 01:19:44,480
there would be no disclosure today

2429
01:19:49,110 --> 01:19:46,239
because it was jim semivan i was told in

2430
01:19:50,470 --> 01:19:49,120
2016 jim semivan from the cia was the

2431
01:19:52,550 --> 01:19:50,480
guy that was behind it behind the new

2432
01:19:54,790 --> 01:19:52,560
york times article he was the man mover

2433
01:19:56,310 --> 01:19:54,800
and shaker and he would not have done it

2434
01:19:57,910 --> 01:19:56,320
if he had the uf experience he would be

2435
01:19:59,669 --> 01:19:57,920
like the 99 percent of people in the

2436
01:20:02,630 --> 01:19:59,679
public who would say who cares about

2437
01:20:04,550 --> 01:20:02,640
ufos i'm trying to film feed my family i

2438
01:20:06,550 --> 01:20:04,560
don't care nobody cares there's very few

2439
01:20:09,830 --> 01:20:06,560
of us who care and so what happens is

2440
01:20:12,310 --> 01:20:09,840
jim semivan says he said on an interview

2441
01:20:13,669 --> 01:20:12,320
he said i went to high-level officials

2442
01:20:16,550 --> 01:20:13,679
in the government and he said we're

2443
01:20:19,270 --> 01:20:16,560
going to force this thing out you guys

2444
01:20:21,189 --> 01:20:19,280
can't get it out and i'm going to i'm

2445
01:20:23,270 --> 01:20:21,199
going to get it out and that's what he

2446
01:20:24,709 --> 01:20:23,280
did and it was because he was abducted

2447
01:20:26,790 --> 01:20:24,719
with this very bad experience that he's

2448
01:20:29,669 --> 01:20:26,800
still upset about that he went out and

2449
01:20:31,430 --> 01:20:29,679
he did this and what happened in 2017.

2450
01:20:33,990 --> 01:20:31,440
they had the new york times article came

2451
01:20:35,270 --> 01:20:34,000
out and that was jim semivan that was uh

2452
01:20:37,350 --> 01:20:35,280
hell put off and all these guys that

2453
01:20:38,950 --> 01:20:37,360
pushed all this stuff tom delong they

2454
01:20:40,950 --> 01:20:38,960
pushed all this new york times did the

2455
01:20:43,110 --> 01:20:40,960
article and in one day

2456
01:20:45,110 --> 01:20:43,120
it was boom it's like you ask everybody

2457
01:20:46,950 --> 01:20:45,120
because steven greer and i used i did an

2458
01:20:48,390 --> 01:20:46,960
article called 64 reasons they decided

2459
01:20:50,310 --> 01:20:48,400
not to tell you the truth one of the

2460
01:20:51,669 --> 01:20:50,320
reasons i gave was steven grier's reason

2461
01:20:53,110 --> 01:20:51,679
that the stock market would completely

2462
01:20:54,790 --> 01:20:53,120
melt down if they actually said oh yeah

2463
01:20:56,149 --> 01:20:54,800
there's ufos everybody would say oh

2464
01:20:58,870 --> 01:20:56,159
oil's worth nothing and everything would

2465
01:21:00,310 --> 01:20:58,880
just melt down and what happened in 2017

2466
01:21:02,870 --> 01:21:00,320
when they released the article

2467
01:21:04,629 --> 01:21:02,880
absolutely nothing nobody jumped off a

2468
01:21:06,629 --> 01:21:04,639
building everybody went yeah i knew that

2469
01:21:08,310 --> 01:21:06,639
already that tell me what's in the craft

2470
01:21:11,189 --> 01:21:08,320
and that's what happens it's like gay

2471
01:21:12,870 --> 01:21:11,199
marriage it's like it's it's like uh you

2472
01:21:14,629 --> 01:21:12,880
know all that kind of stuff

2473
01:21:16,390 --> 01:21:14,639
when did gay marriage come come into

2474
01:21:18,470 --> 01:21:16,400
effect everyone that's why i don't know

2475
01:21:20,950 --> 01:21:18,480
20 years ago nobody knows it just

2476
01:21:22,149 --> 01:21:20,960
happens it will flip overnight and

2477
01:21:24,310 --> 01:21:22,159
that's what's going to happen here it's

2478
01:21:25,669 --> 01:21:24,320
a gradual thing and it's a simulated

2479
01:21:28,310 --> 01:21:25,679
universe that's the big thing it's not

2480
01:21:29,910 --> 01:21:28,320
so much uh the the the beings but

2481
01:21:32,149 --> 01:21:29,920
because they forced this thing out into

2482
01:21:34,229 --> 01:21:32,159
the public out of the black world now

2483
01:21:35,750 --> 01:21:34,239
you can talk about it in academia you

2484
01:21:36,950 --> 01:21:35,760
can talk about it in the pentagon and

2485
01:21:38,790 --> 01:21:36,960
you're going to get it's going to it's

2486
01:21:40,709 --> 01:21:38,800
moving very very fast because you have

2487
01:21:41,990 --> 01:21:40,719
academia talking about this they're

2488
01:21:43,030 --> 01:21:42,000
talking about simulated universe and

2489
01:21:45,350 --> 01:21:43,040
what's really go

2490
01:21:47,270 --> 01:21:45,360
going on and i can say the stupid things

2491
01:21:48,470 --> 01:21:47,280
i'm saying and it's it's not off the

2492
01:21:50,070 --> 01:21:48,480
chart anymore because there's other

2493
01:21:51,910 --> 01:21:50,080
people talking about the same thing so i

2494
01:21:54,629 --> 01:21:51,920
think this is moving pretty fast since

2495
01:21:56,629 --> 01:21:54,639
2017 i never would have believed that i

2496
01:21:58,790 --> 01:21:56,639
saw this absolutely not a chance that i

2497
01:22:01,510 --> 01:21:58,800
believe this would ever happen

2498
01:22:02,870 --> 01:22:01,520
thank you um thank you very much i mean

2499
01:22:03,990 --> 01:22:02,880
yeah you should read more books it

2500
01:22:05,510 --> 01:22:04,000
doesn't seem like you have a lot of

2501
01:22:07,270 --> 01:22:05,520
information

2502
01:22:09,350 --> 01:22:07,280
think about you know

2503
01:22:11,590 --> 01:22:09,360
reading i'm just kidding your recall is

2504
01:22:14,070 --> 01:22:11,600
incredible it really is dude

2505
01:22:15,750 --> 01:22:14,080
so it is like

2506
01:22:16,870 --> 01:22:15,760
that's the question is where is it

2507
01:22:18,550 --> 01:22:16,880
coming from

2508
01:22:19,350 --> 01:22:18,560
consciousness flow state is when you're

2509
01:22:23,590 --> 01:22:19,360
there

2510
01:22:25,189 --> 01:22:23,600
a b c d and e is consciousness

2511
01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:25,199
when i talk i don't know what i'm going

2512
01:22:28,790 --> 01:22:27,040
to say 15 seconds from now but i know in

2513
01:22:30,390 --> 01:22:28,800
15 seconds somebody's going to put

2514
01:22:31,669 --> 01:22:30,400
something in my head to talk about it

2515
01:22:33,750 --> 01:22:31,679
just comes in

2516
01:22:36,470 --> 01:22:33,760
nobody's planning it it's channeling

2517
01:22:38,790 --> 01:22:36,480
it's all channeling it is well you know

2518
01:22:41,189 --> 01:22:38,800
my safety rests in your hands with this

2519
01:22:43,030 --> 01:22:41,199
next question grant so i want you to

2520
01:22:45,189 --> 01:22:43,040
take this with a degree of seriousness

2521
01:22:47,270 --> 01:22:45,199
okay okay um

2522
01:22:49,030 --> 01:22:47,280
so i spoke with deb the other night you

2523
01:22:51,110 --> 01:22:49,040
know nathan hasn't heard this yet i

2524
01:22:53,910 --> 01:22:51,120
don't think flair has heard this one

2525
01:22:55,830 --> 01:22:53,920
but uh i have a tendency to spend a lot

2526
01:22:58,790 --> 01:22:55,840
of time going out in the woods with my

2527
01:23:01,110 --> 01:22:58,800
dogs athena and julia athena's about 50

2528
01:23:01,990 --> 01:23:01,120
pounds julia's about 10 pounds

2529
01:23:04,790 --> 01:23:02,000
um

2530
01:23:07,110 --> 01:23:04,800
and i told deb that i was going to try

2531
01:23:08,790 --> 01:23:07,120
to manifest bigfoot

2532
01:23:11,189 --> 01:23:08,800
to come up to me

2533
01:23:13,189 --> 01:23:11,199
because i think it'd be so cool and i'm

2534
01:23:15,590 --> 01:23:13,199
all this time there's nobody around what

2535
01:23:18,310 --> 01:23:15,600
if he came out and deb feels that i

2536
01:23:20,629 --> 01:23:18,320
could be in grave danger where i to

2537
01:23:22,709 --> 01:23:20,639
manifest bigfoot so grant i'll start

2538
01:23:24,629 --> 01:23:22,719
with you and then we'll go around what's

2539
01:23:26,149 --> 01:23:24,639
what's your thoughts on that

2540
01:23:26,950 --> 01:23:26,159
well again it comes to this good evil

2541
01:23:29,510 --> 01:23:26,960
thing

2542
01:23:30,790 --> 01:23:29,520
i mean are there evil uh

2543
01:23:32,629 --> 01:23:30,800
sasquatches that are running around

2544
01:23:34,790 --> 01:23:32,639
eating people or whatever i mean we sort

2545
01:23:37,110 --> 01:23:34,800
of build this in because it's unknown we

2546
01:23:38,870 --> 01:23:37,120
build it in i i believe there's a

2547
01:23:40,070 --> 01:23:38,880
connection so once you get into the

2548
01:23:41,430 --> 01:23:40,080
phenomena

2549
01:23:42,950 --> 01:23:41,440
it's like the hitchhiker thing suddenly

2550
01:23:44,070 --> 01:23:42,960
the phenomena starts coming to you if

2551
01:23:45,990 --> 01:23:44,080
you start reading about it and getting

2552
01:23:48,229 --> 01:23:46,000
interested and it you start to manifest

2553
01:23:49,669 --> 01:23:48,239
this stuff and i had the one i'll tell

2554
01:23:53,030 --> 01:23:49,679
you the one interesting sasquatch there

2555
01:23:54,950 --> 01:23:53,040
had 76 uh there was a an air base it's

2556
01:23:57,270 --> 01:23:54,960
no longer an air base but on the south

2557
01:23:59,110 --> 01:23:57,280
fence there was a woman who saw a being

2558
01:24:01,430 --> 01:23:59,120
looking in a 9 foot window her kid had

2559
01:24:03,910 --> 01:24:01,440
colic in the middle of night and uh the

2560
01:24:05,669 --> 01:24:03,920
dogs were going crazy down the street

2561
01:24:07,189 --> 01:24:05,679
trying to get off their their leashes

2562
01:24:08,950 --> 01:24:07,199
and stuff like that and the one

2563
01:24:11,189 --> 01:24:08,960
aboriginal tracker took me and showed me

2564
01:24:13,270 --> 01:24:11,199
where this thing had gone and and i say

2565
01:24:15,030 --> 01:24:13,280
if you think that there's sasquatches

2566
01:24:16,390 --> 01:24:15,040
that are living in forests and hiding

2567
01:24:18,390 --> 01:24:16,400
give your head a shake because i live in

2568
01:24:20,709 --> 01:24:18,400
a place where where that is there's like

2569
01:24:22,229 --> 01:24:20,719
one tree per mile and it's the flattest

2570
01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:22,239
part on earth if you're a nine foot

2571
01:24:25,110 --> 01:24:23,760
sasquatch you have a very hard time

2572
01:24:27,110 --> 01:24:25,120
hiding down one

2573
01:24:28,790 --> 01:24:27,120
right right and so the thing was he

2574
01:24:30,310 --> 01:24:28,800
showed me there was a creek and there

2575
01:24:31,750 --> 01:24:30,320
was a couple of bushes there and this

2576
01:24:33,830 --> 01:24:31,760
thing went up the creek and he said he

2577
01:24:35,189 --> 01:24:33,840
was 250 pounds he broke through the snow

2578
01:24:36,870 --> 01:24:35,199
this thing did not break through the

2579
01:24:38,470 --> 01:24:36,880
snow and it went in you can see the

2580
01:24:40,070 --> 01:24:38,480
broken branches and went into the middle

2581
01:24:41,590 --> 01:24:40,080
of this clearing and that's where the

2582
01:24:43,110 --> 01:24:41,600
footprints ended which indicated

2583
01:24:44,470 --> 01:24:43,120
something picked it up so there is this

2584
01:24:46,470 --> 01:24:44,480
connection whether they're dropping them

2585
01:24:48,390 --> 01:24:46,480
off or uh to go to the bathroom or

2586
01:24:50,070 --> 01:24:48,400
whatever but you start talk to sasquatch

2587
01:24:52,149 --> 01:24:50,080
people you'll see a lot of sasquatch

2588
01:24:54,550 --> 01:24:52,159
people believe it's it's etheric beings

2589
01:24:56,629 --> 01:24:54,560
as well that they're they're uh

2590
01:24:57,830 --> 01:24:56,639
manifesting it's all part of the same

2591
01:24:59,669 --> 01:24:57,840
sort of thing it's almost like the

2592
01:25:02,709 --> 01:24:59,679
universe has so many different levels so

2593
01:25:04,310 --> 01:25:02,719
many different dimensions realities and

2594
01:25:06,229 --> 01:25:04,320
you know vibrations and stuff that

2595
01:25:07,669 --> 01:25:06,239
everybody's playing a game so i want a

2596
01:25:09,189 --> 01:25:07,679
world with sasquatches so i can create

2597
01:25:11,030 --> 01:25:09,199
this world to have sasquatches running

2598
01:25:12,629 --> 01:25:11,040
around and it's just making it more

2599
01:25:15,030 --> 01:25:12,639
complex that it's all being created by

2600
01:25:17,510 --> 01:25:15,040
consciousness and there there's like

2601
01:25:19,990 --> 01:25:17,520
probably three million different

2602
01:25:22,070 --> 01:25:20,000
levels and and types of environments we

2603
01:25:23,430 --> 01:25:22,080
haven't even seen before and it's all

2604
01:25:25,350 --> 01:25:23,440
but it's all going to be created just by

2605
01:25:27,590 --> 01:25:25,360
making the world more complex because

2606
01:25:29,270 --> 01:25:27,600
the person that's watching it the source

2607
01:25:31,510 --> 01:25:29,280
wants entertainment it's like if you go

2608
01:25:33,030 --> 01:25:31,520
to a movie if you're in a movie

2609
01:25:35,189 --> 01:25:33,040
and and and you everybody wants

2610
01:25:37,350 --> 01:25:35,199
everything good we we don't want any bad

2611
01:25:39,189 --> 01:25:37,360
stuff we want god to sit and watch us

2612
01:25:41,510 --> 01:25:39,199
drink coffee around a coffee table for

2613
01:25:42,709 --> 01:25:41,520
75 years you go to the movie because

2614
01:25:45,030 --> 01:25:42,719
everything's going bad and the

2615
01:25:46,790 --> 01:25:45,040
character's under attack and you know

2616
01:25:48,310 --> 01:25:46,800
and and he overcomes and that's what

2617
01:25:50,310 --> 01:25:48,320
life is about so that's what we're doing

2618
01:25:52,709 --> 01:25:50,320
is this this idea that we're creating

2619
01:25:54,629 --> 01:25:52,719
these these uh ups and downs and and

2620
01:25:56,149 --> 01:25:54,639
this almost like a movie and we overcome

2621
01:25:58,229 --> 01:25:56,159
this thing and we put another challenge

2622
01:25:59,990 --> 01:25:58,239
in front of us and so the sasquatch i

2623
01:26:01,270 --> 01:26:00,000
think is is is is part of this whole

2624
01:26:02,950 --> 01:26:01,280
thing but i definitely think it's

2625
01:26:04,790 --> 01:26:02,960
connected to ufos because that was the

2626
01:26:07,110 --> 01:26:04,800
thing the ufos were in that area there

2627
01:26:08,229 --> 01:26:07,120
was 32 uh horses disappeared there was

2628
01:26:10,070 --> 01:26:08,239
all these bizarre things happening

2629
01:26:11,910 --> 01:26:10,080
around this area and there's no way

2630
01:26:13,830 --> 01:26:11,920
sasquatch was hiding

2631
01:26:15,510 --> 01:26:13,840
well maybe maybe i shouldn't try to

2632
01:26:17,189 --> 01:26:15,520
connect with one of the nathan nathan

2633
01:26:20,390 --> 01:26:17,199
what do you think should i not be trying

2634
01:26:23,189 --> 01:26:20,400
to manifest fast well i mean i think if

2635
01:26:25,110 --> 01:26:23,199
anybody could and and should i be okay

2636
01:26:27,030 --> 01:26:25,120
with you doing it i think it would be a

2637
01:26:28,790 --> 01:26:27,040
pleasant experience uh you know you've

2638
01:26:29,990 --> 01:26:28,800
got such a warm spirit that i think it

2639
01:26:31,910 --> 01:26:30,000
would be okay

2640
01:26:34,070 --> 01:26:31,920
um but you never know i want to come

2641
01:26:36,550 --> 01:26:34,080
back to something you said grant about

2642
01:26:39,510 --> 01:26:36,560
the the ocean analogy of consciousness

2643
01:26:42,149 --> 01:26:39,520
and you know one analogy that i've heard

2644
01:26:44,149 --> 01:26:42,159
to help describe what's happening here

2645
01:26:46,390 --> 01:26:44,159
is that uh just as a wave is an

2646
01:26:48,709 --> 01:26:46,400
appearance on the ocean you can't take

2647
01:26:52,390 --> 01:26:48,719
that wave out of the ocean it doesn't

2648
01:26:55,030 --> 01:26:52,400
exist independent of the ocean and so

2649
01:26:56,950 --> 01:26:55,040
what we are is sort of these we are all

2650
01:26:59,510 --> 01:26:56,960
just manifestations there are different

2651
01:27:01,270 --> 01:26:59,520
manifestations of the water you know we

2652
01:27:02,950 --> 01:27:01,280
have an appearance of separateness an

2653
01:27:04,790 --> 01:27:02,960
appearance of being distinct but we

2654
01:27:06,149 --> 01:27:04,800
really are the same thing

2655
01:27:07,669 --> 01:27:06,159
and that's really kind of what's

2656
01:27:08,629 --> 01:27:07,679
happening here i think of it in this way

2657
01:27:10,390 --> 01:27:08,639
too

2658
01:27:11,750 --> 01:27:10,400
just as an analogy with modern

2659
01:27:13,189 --> 01:27:11,760
psychology

2660
01:27:14,990 --> 01:27:13,199
you know you can be

2661
01:27:17,510 --> 01:27:15,000
a person who can have

2662
01:27:19,350 --> 01:27:17,520
disassociated uh

2663
01:27:21,590 --> 01:27:19,360
alters you know they use that that's the

2664
01:27:23,189 --> 01:27:21,600
word that is used altered personalities

2665
01:27:24,950 --> 01:27:23,199
and that's essentially consciousness as

2666
01:27:27,350 --> 01:27:24,960
well that it's when it's when it's

2667
01:27:29,030 --> 01:27:27,360
non-altered when it's at its base state

2668
01:27:31,590 --> 01:27:29,040
as you mentioned earlier it's

2669
01:27:34,310 --> 01:27:31,600
essentially kind of alone or you know

2670
01:27:36,310 --> 01:27:34,320
solitude it's it's very boring and so it

2671
01:27:38,629 --> 01:27:36,320
disassociates into all of these

2672
01:27:40,790 --> 01:27:38,639
different you know entities which is us

2673
01:27:43,750 --> 01:27:40,800
and the others and we are all playing in

2674
01:27:45,510 --> 01:27:43,760
mind space essentially and as we kind of

2675
01:27:47,350 --> 01:27:45,520
intersect with each other

2676
01:27:49,750 --> 01:27:47,360
the way in which we see them the way in

2677
01:27:51,990 --> 01:27:49,760
which they see us it is all interpreted

2678
01:27:54,790 --> 01:27:52,000
through the lens of that of that

2679
01:27:55,990 --> 01:27:54,800
conscious experience and so it does vary

2680
01:27:57,669 --> 01:27:56,000
based on

2681
01:27:59,189 --> 01:27:57,679
what their conscious experience of the

2682
01:28:01,030 --> 01:27:59,199
universe is what our conscious

2683
01:28:02,790 --> 01:28:01,040
experience of the universe is sometimes

2684
01:28:04,790 --> 01:28:02,800
we never intersect but we are all part

2685
01:28:06,629 --> 01:28:04,800
of the same thing

2686
01:28:08,790 --> 01:28:06,639
you you mentioned i would like to get

2687
01:28:10,790 --> 01:28:08,800
this in before we close but um you

2688
01:28:11,990 --> 01:28:10,800
talked about this uh alters which is

2689
01:28:13,189 --> 01:28:12,000
another big thing i did in contact

2690
01:28:14,870 --> 01:28:13,199
modalities which i think is a very

2691
01:28:17,510 --> 01:28:14,880
important thing to study when you look

2692
01:28:19,669 --> 01:28:17,520
at alters you hear these stories that

2693
01:28:21,910 --> 01:28:19,679
when the altar comes in it changes eye

2694
01:28:24,870 --> 01:28:21,920
color it doesn't have a disease it has

2695
01:28:26,629 --> 01:28:24,880
this or whatever that's all dna and so

2696
01:28:29,830 --> 01:28:26,639
if you take a look at jay-z knight who

2697
01:28:32,709 --> 01:28:29,840
was the channeler for for uh she did the

2698
01:28:35,510 --> 01:28:32,719
experiment where she's she's rampha they

2699
01:28:37,030 --> 01:28:35,520
do the dna test and they and then she

2700
01:28:39,669 --> 01:28:37,040
has three different tests done then when

2701
01:28:43,270 --> 01:28:39,679
she's normal and in the normal one she's

2702
01:28:47,270 --> 01:28:45,350
ancestry and when she's wrapped up she's

2703
01:28:49,030 --> 01:28:47,280
male and and this sort of stuff and that

2704
01:28:50,950 --> 01:28:49,040
seems to indicate dna maybe

2705
01:28:52,629 --> 01:28:50,960
consciousness and i i actually had

2706
01:28:54,229 --> 01:28:52,639
bashar i had a bunch of people i still

2707
01:28:55,990 --> 01:28:54,239
wanted this test i want to get ions to

2708
01:28:57,830 --> 01:28:56,000
do it because if you take a look at the

2709
01:29:01,030 --> 01:28:57,840
uh even remote viewing when lynne

2710
01:29:03,430 --> 01:29:01,040
buchanan uh mind melded with saddam

2711
01:29:04,470 --> 01:29:03,440
hussein they said his eye color changed

2712
01:29:06,629 --> 01:29:04,480
to brown

2713
01:29:09,030 --> 01:29:06,639
and that's this whole thing is even

2714
01:29:10,870 --> 01:29:09,040
consciousness maybe dna that if your

2715
01:29:12,470 --> 01:29:10,880
consciousness changes if an altar comes

2716
01:29:14,310 --> 01:29:12,480
in and takes over your body your

2717
01:29:16,390 --> 01:29:14,320
consciousness may change and i'm

2718
01:29:18,070 --> 01:29:16,400
determined to get that study because

2719
01:29:20,390 --> 01:29:18,080
i've got all sorts of examples of this

2720
01:29:22,470 --> 01:29:20,400
happening all you need is one more white

2721
01:29:24,390 --> 01:29:22,480
crow and it's game over what are you

2722
01:29:26,390 --> 01:29:24,400
gonna say if the person's consciousness

2723
01:29:27,830 --> 01:29:26,400
changes when they're channeling and it's

2724
01:29:29,350 --> 01:29:27,840
got to be a direct it's got to be a

2725
01:29:30,709 --> 01:29:29,360
trans channel where they're completely

2726
01:29:31,910 --> 01:29:30,719
cut off that's these things have levels

2727
01:29:34,070 --> 01:29:31,920
so you have different levels of

2728
01:29:35,750 --> 01:29:34,080
channeling when you get a trans channel

2729
01:29:37,030 --> 01:29:35,760
the person is completely gone they're

2730
01:29:38,870 --> 01:29:37,040
not even there they don't know what's

2731
01:29:41,030 --> 01:29:38,880
going on their left brain is completely

2732
01:29:43,110 --> 01:29:41,040
gone and the thing comes in and i have

2733
01:29:44,470 --> 01:29:43,120
so many i'm trying to get ions to do it

2734
01:29:47,430 --> 01:29:44,480
because they're doing this stuff with

2735
01:29:50,470 --> 01:29:47,440
with uh trans channelers and there's so

2736
01:29:52,310 --> 01:29:50,480
many examples of of this happening where

2737
01:29:54,550 --> 01:29:52,320
um the person can speak different

2738
01:29:56,390 --> 01:29:54,560
languages and this sort of thing i think

2739
01:29:58,070 --> 01:29:56,400
it's very important and again it shows

2740
01:30:00,550 --> 01:29:58,080
us that we we haven't got a clue what's

2741
01:30:01,910 --> 01:30:00,560
going on we it the the whole phenomena

2742
01:30:03,430 --> 01:30:01,920
is going to be a lot less physical and

2743
01:30:05,030 --> 01:30:03,440
people think it is it's gonna be a lot

2744
01:30:07,030 --> 01:30:05,040
more spiritual than people think it is

2745
01:30:08,950 --> 01:30:07,040
which is really gonna you know pee off a

2746
01:30:10,470 --> 01:30:08,960
bunch of people the scientists are gonna

2747
01:30:12,470 --> 01:30:10,480
be reaching for the cyanide pills when

2748
01:30:14,390 --> 01:30:12,480
they realize oh my goodness this is all

2749
01:30:16,310 --> 01:30:14,400
wrong it's gonna be at least a thousand

2750
01:30:18,229 --> 01:30:16,320
times more complex and i maintain it

2751
01:30:20,229 --> 01:30:18,239
will not have a single hint of

2752
01:30:21,910 --> 01:30:20,239
capitalism in it

2753
01:30:23,990 --> 01:30:21,920
this beehive

2754
01:30:26,149 --> 01:30:24,000
thing it's the idea is that they're all

2755
01:30:28,149 --> 01:30:26,159
working together as one like cells in a

2756
01:30:29,830 --> 01:30:28,159
body and when you get that one cell

2757
01:30:31,510 --> 01:30:29,840
decides it's going to go its own way

2758
01:30:32,950 --> 01:30:31,520
that's called a cancer cell and that's

2759
01:30:36,470 --> 01:30:32,960
what we got in a situation in the world

2760
01:30:39,590 --> 01:30:36,480
today it's it's the the me over we

2761
01:30:41,430 --> 01:30:39,600
it's uh you know the separation and the

2762
01:30:43,510 --> 01:30:41,440
separation the more we break down the

2763
01:30:45,590 --> 01:30:43,520
separation the more we uh have

2764
01:30:48,790 --> 01:30:45,600
individualism the worse it gets we have

2765
01:30:50,470 --> 01:30:48,800
to realize we're all one thing or even

2766
01:30:52,229 --> 01:30:50,480
that i put on facebook the other day

2767
01:30:55,350 --> 01:30:52,239
where edgar mitchell had the experience

2768
01:30:56,870 --> 01:30:55,360
when he was uh um on the moon and he

2769
01:30:58,550 --> 01:30:56,880
said you know you suddenly got to won

2770
01:31:00,390 --> 01:30:58,560
this thing about how it was all one

2771
01:31:02,070 --> 01:31:00,400
thing and he'd like to grab a politician

2772
01:31:04,629 --> 01:31:02,080
by the neck and grab them out and take

2773
01:31:07,430 --> 01:31:04,639
them out two thousand 250 000 miles and

2774
01:31:08,709 --> 01:31:07,440
say look at that yes stupid yeah

2775
01:31:10,390 --> 01:31:08,719
absolutely

2776
01:31:11,830 --> 01:31:10,400
and that's the thing it's oneness is the

2777
01:31:14,310 --> 01:31:11,840
key message that they're trying to get

2778
01:31:16,070 --> 01:31:14,320
across the oneness message and unless we

2779
01:31:17,990 --> 01:31:16,080
do we're gone but again even if we

2780
01:31:21,030 --> 01:31:18,000
destroy the world it's all experience

2781
01:31:22,950 --> 01:31:21,040
it's a multi-life universe we come back

2782
01:31:24,950 --> 01:31:22,960
over and over again you come back some

2783
01:31:26,790 --> 01:31:24,960
other planet whatever whatever is

2784
01:31:28,149 --> 01:31:26,800
happening you either learn from it or

2785
01:31:29,510 --> 01:31:28,159
you don't learn from it you come back

2786
01:31:31,110 --> 01:31:29,520
until you learn the lessons just keep

2787
01:31:32,709 --> 01:31:31,120
playing running the play until you get

2788
01:31:34,070 --> 01:31:32,719
it right that's what it's all about it's

2789
01:31:35,750 --> 01:31:34,080
about experience and it's about trying

2790
01:31:37,350 --> 01:31:35,760
to make the world a better place when

2791
01:31:39,110 --> 01:31:37,360
you see the beings people say why would

2792
01:31:41,830 --> 01:31:39,120
they come here because when you get out

2793
01:31:43,030 --> 01:31:41,840
of this capitalist world of rape pillage

2794
01:31:45,110 --> 01:31:43,040
kill and steal whoever's got the most

2795
01:31:46,790 --> 01:31:45,120
toys when they die wins then you realize

2796
01:31:48,790 --> 01:31:46,800
it's all about trying to be a better

2797
01:31:50,229 --> 01:31:48,800
person in a better universe and and make

2798
01:31:51,669 --> 01:31:50,239
it a bigger and better place that's what

2799
01:31:53,590 --> 01:31:51,679
it's all about and that's what you see

2800
01:31:55,510 --> 01:31:53,600
whether it's spirits or

2801
01:31:56,709 --> 01:31:55,520
beings is that what they're doing why

2802
01:31:58,149 --> 01:31:56,719
would they be helping us that's because

2803
01:32:00,310 --> 01:31:58,159
they're trying to make the world a

2804
01:32:01,669 --> 01:32:00,320
better place instead of you know people

2805
01:32:03,030 --> 01:32:01,679
want to escape the karmic wheel we're

2806
01:32:04,709 --> 01:32:03,040
going to go sit on a beach in hawaii and

2807
01:32:05,910 --> 01:32:04,719
drink mai tais i said how many billion

2808
01:32:07,910 --> 01:32:05,920
years do you think you can sit on a

2809
01:32:09,189 --> 01:32:07,920
beach and drink my thighs in hawaii it's

2810
01:32:10,470 --> 01:32:09,199
going to be able to kid a kid in the

2811
01:32:12,629 --> 01:32:10,480
back seat of a car we there you have to

2812
01:32:14,709 --> 01:32:12,639
kind of go this is boring come on are we

2813
01:32:16,870 --> 01:32:14,719
it's all about experience and excitement

2814
01:32:18,550 --> 01:32:16,880
and and trying to do it and i'm i

2815
01:32:20,229 --> 01:32:18,560
appreciate what you guys are doing we're

2816
01:32:22,550 --> 01:32:20,239
all doing our little job here and the

2817
01:32:24,070 --> 01:32:22,560
more we do the more consciousness rises

2818
01:32:25,189 --> 01:32:24,080
it's like african-american rights or

2819
01:32:27,350 --> 01:32:25,199
anything else we're no different than

2820
01:32:28,790 --> 01:32:27,360
any other social political movement they

2821
01:32:30,470 --> 01:32:28,800
make bad jokes about us they can say

2822
01:32:32,070 --> 01:32:30,480
whatever they want the more we talk

2823
01:32:34,310 --> 01:32:32,080
about it the more the consciousness

2824
01:32:36,870 --> 01:32:34,320
rises and the more in the end everybody

2825
01:32:38,390 --> 01:32:36,880
will know what to do it's going to flip

2826
01:32:40,310 --> 01:32:38,400
but we have to talk about it the more we

2827
01:32:42,310 --> 01:32:40,320
talk about it the better it is that

2828
01:32:45,189 --> 01:32:42,320
that's very inspiring that you say that

2829
01:32:47,750 --> 01:32:45,199
and make that analogy because i i agree

2830
01:32:50,950 --> 01:32:47,760
and i think uh share those values with

2831
01:32:53,990 --> 01:32:50,960
my uh co-hosts here uh everybody's gonna

2832
01:32:56,390 --> 01:32:54,000
say goodbye uh debs

2833
01:32:59,030 --> 01:32:56,400
you so much for coming and sharing your

2834
01:33:00,870 --> 01:32:59,040
vast amounts of knowledge with us i

2835
01:33:02,229 --> 01:33:00,880
appreciate it greatly

2836
01:33:04,470 --> 01:33:02,239
yeah make sure you give me your story so

2837
01:33:06,229 --> 01:33:04,480
i can put it in my book i will

2838
01:33:07,110 --> 01:33:06,239
oh you're go you'll be seeing debs again

2839
01:33:08,629 --> 01:33:07,120
in

2840
01:33:10,390 --> 01:33:08,639
a short period of time

2841
01:33:11,910 --> 01:33:10,400
kevin

2842
01:33:13,910 --> 01:33:11,920
hey man thanks for thanks for your

2843
01:33:16,070 --> 01:33:13,920
insights beautiful i mean

2844
01:33:18,149 --> 01:33:16,080
yeah dude you're awesome you're a fast

2845
01:33:20,070 --> 01:33:18,159
talker you actually intimidated me into

2846
01:33:21,350 --> 01:33:20,080
talking slower

2847
01:33:23,430 --> 01:33:21,360
it was great meeting you so thank you

2848
01:33:25,590 --> 01:33:23,440
for being here seriously you're you're

2849
01:33:27,669 --> 01:33:25,600
someone i i really look up to in this

2850
01:33:29,510 --> 01:33:27,679
yeah in this field

2851
01:33:31,430 --> 01:33:29,520
my name's one when i go that as well

2852
01:33:33,189 --> 01:33:31,440
grant um i've been listening to you for

2853
01:33:35,669 --> 01:33:33,199
quite some time and i've enjoyed

2854
01:33:38,470 --> 01:33:35,679
watching your own journey uh through

2855
01:33:39,990 --> 01:33:38,480
this topic and you know we are

2856
01:33:42,390 --> 01:33:40,000
incredibly grateful to have you with us

2857
01:33:43,990 --> 01:33:42,400
and to get this message out um i can

2858
01:33:46,709 --> 01:33:44,000
feel the passion that you have for it

2859
01:33:48,629 --> 01:33:46,719
and i think our audience uh can as well

2860
01:33:50,709 --> 01:33:48,639
and want to thank everybody who was in

2861
01:33:53,030 --> 01:33:50,719
the audience today uh participating in

2862
01:33:55,750 --> 01:33:53,040
the chat uh just really happy to have

2863
01:33:57,590 --> 01:33:55,760
everyone here and uh and and where can

2864
01:33:59,830 --> 01:33:57,600
folks find you grant where's the best

2865
01:34:02,709 --> 01:33:59,840
place to find you now

2866
01:34:05,350 --> 01:34:02,719
um it's all connected publishing uh is

2867
01:34:07,750 --> 01:34:05,360
my website where i have uh i put some

2868
01:34:09,910 --> 01:34:07,760
articles on there and i've got my books

2869
01:34:12,390 --> 01:34:09,920
and my presidential ufo facebook is

2870
01:34:13,990 --> 01:34:12,400
where um i post

2871
01:34:15,910 --> 01:34:14,000
new stuff that happens every day i sort

2872
01:34:18,709 --> 01:34:15,920
of uh poke the bear at ruins and while

2873
01:34:20,709 --> 01:34:18,719
they're on facebook excellent right

2874
01:34:22,310 --> 01:34:20,719
yeah let me leave you with my my one

2875
01:34:25,510 --> 01:34:22,320
last line because we've got a musician

2876
01:34:27,590 --> 01:34:25,520
here uh the words of john lennon

2877
01:34:30,310 --> 01:34:27,600
it'll all be okay in the end

2878
01:34:32,870 --> 01:34:30,320
if it's not okay it's not the end

2879
01:34:35,669 --> 01:34:32,880
oh i love it he put on his glasses too

2880
01:34:37,830 --> 01:34:35,679
to look like john i love that yeah

2881
01:34:40,070 --> 01:34:37,840
man that is fantastic like i said very

2882
01:34:41,990 --> 01:34:40,080
inspiring uh we'll try to get uh if we

2883
01:34:44,790 --> 01:34:42,000
can get all your details then in our

2884
01:34:47,590 --> 01:34:44,800
show notes we will put them uh so that

2885
01:34:49,030 --> 01:34:47,600
everybody can find you um thank you for

2886
01:34:51,669 --> 01:34:49,040
all the books that you've read and

2887
01:34:53,590 --> 01:34:51,679
written and uh educating those of us

2888
01:34:55,350 --> 01:34:53,600
like us that have been here in the topic

2889
01:34:58,470 --> 01:34:55,360
for about 10 minutes

2890
01:35:00,870 --> 01:34:58,480
uh uh and educating us on on what it's

2891
01:35:03,030 --> 01:35:00,880
all about and expanding our minds so

2892
01:35:06,310 --> 01:35:03,040
that we don't get trapped in our our own

2893
01:35:08,229 --> 01:35:06,320
biases and our own uh uh thoughts that

2894
01:35:11,669 --> 01:35:08,239
we've we've already had you know i'm

2895
01:35:14,149 --> 01:35:11,679
trying to expand you know my universe of

2896
01:35:16,229 --> 01:35:14,159
of thought about the phenomenon and

2897
01:35:17,990 --> 01:35:16,239
talking to people like my co-host and

2898
01:35:20,950 --> 01:35:18,000
people like yourself that are more

2899
01:35:23,910 --> 01:35:20,960
vulnerable are what makes that happen so

2900
01:35:25,669 --> 01:35:23,920
thank you very much namaste for nathan

2901
01:35:27,990 --> 01:35:25,679
for kevin for

2902
01:35:30,229 --> 01:35:28,000
debs this is dj saying peace out one

2903
01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:30,239
love and we'll see you down the road